F-104S/F-4EJ actively ruining bomber experience

Base bombers in general ruin top tier gameplay.

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It doesn’t matter what they do. The second they wanna bomb or fight for bases or anything else for base bombing, they are weakening their team! What is so difficult to understand this fact?

More bases → more base bombing → weaker teams → worse gameplay


Elementary, my dear watson.

You are complaining about F-104S.
The most nation which will face F-104S will be Italy.
And you completely ignored MiG-23 when complaining about ‘base-stealing fighters’

Then you might have flown with a Hungarian/Italian MiG-23 and faced the wall of F-104S. :/

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incredible deduction

Well to be fair, F-104s and F-4S are terrible jets that need to bomb to get any score.

phantom slander will not be tolerated

Not my fault that they are terrible. The only thing they’re good for is bombing so you can bypass other Phantoms

you are wrong and i wont elaborate

Because you know I’m right. Phantoms are bad, m’kay

Have you considered playing professionally instead of sweating in Pubs

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one must feel like a phantom to properly play a phantom
edit: nvm got another one
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Never had an issue persoanlly. Heck. I reliably get a base in the GR4 at 12.3.

Actually had a 5 base match earlier today

Jsut for the sake of good data. Tornado Gr1 (the weakest of the 11.3/11.7 Tornado IDS) 1x Base kill, nearly got a gun kill on an F-5E and I should have gotten a maneuver kill (he crashed trying to dogfight me) against an F-104S. So… Its fine at the moment. Sure ARB isnt very good strike aircraft gameplay, but playable

Time zones is the reason why. Pacific time zone players love to bomb.

THEN IT IS NOT THE PLANE’S PROBLEM BUT THE PLAYERS’ PROBLEM.
Isn’t it?

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I play late in the evening quite often (UK Time), usually with US servers selected for faster queues. I dont really find much of a difference. I may not get base 1 or 2 on the left, but usually get one of the two on the right and the Tornado is no longer an overladen cargo plane. It can fight okay enough to throw people off.

My recommended loadout.

2x Aim-9Ls
2x BOZ
5x Mk13 high drag or 6x Mk83 high drag

I personally like 30 mins internal + fuel tanks, because in a pinch, I can ditch them for an immediate FM boost, but there is an argument to be made for 45-50 mins internal without the extra drag (with fuel dumping coming, that then becomes even more optimal)

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Ironic coming from the guy who gained fame on this forum FOR USING FIGHTERS TO BASE BOMB

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NA servers have some trash players ill give you that, enjoy stomping there sometimes. I get why the Chinese go onto NA

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That and they have more people to test their cheats on.

I wonder how many bomb runs itd take to kill a base in a low tier zero now