Can you link your controls preset? I wonder if this may be causing the issue. I have tried testing it again and am still unable to reproduce your video
well the second bug report is counted as duplicate
and it link to the @BeetleHelmet bug report
sure
1 June 2025 Controls.blk (11.7 KB)
Issue was because I’ve been pressing target lock before firing.
Still, pressing it shouldn’t break the seeker head as per beetlehelmet’s bug report.
yep. probably because gaijin did not think people would try to activate the seeker again since it was already active
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Type 81 (C) (both) Lightwave Missile - Missing launch without lock
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tiqIAtITsD9K
→ Accepted
Type 81 (C) (both) - Missing Combined Missile Capability
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/nM0Hh9GqJgAP
→ Accepted
Type 81 (C) Lightwave Missile - Missing Imaging Mechanics
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/F8YxZUhsSWRu
→ Not a bug
For this last one their argument is that the low FOV of the new IIR missiles is unrelated to Gaijins modelling of imaging missiles, and even if it was it would be IIR, and because of that couldn’t be used to report optical imaging missiles.
Sadly this means we’ll never see this fixed, unless Gaijin choose to add on their own it without receiving any reports, since these and the Type 91 are the only optical imaging anti air missiles that I’d know of. So I guess we’ll have to get used to Strela photocontrast…
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well shit
But it was a very minor detail, because in the game there should be no difference between AESA and PESA…
What? Type 81 doesn’t have imaging IR seeker and report was about TV seeker
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excerpt from bug report:
The Type 81 (C) Lightwave (EO/IR) missiles, found on the Type 81 (C) as well as the new Tan-SAM Kai / TADS in-game, are currently modelled as a combined photocontrast / IR seeker in game. However now with the addition of imaging seekers on missiles such as the IRIS-T and AIM-9X, the Type 81 (C) Lightwave missile should also get access to an imaging seeker.
We really should have had the Type 11 instead…
Here is said about TV seeker what use CCD what makes it similar to 9X and others but it is not the same seekers. You wrote it like Type 81 is missing IIR seeker but it is incorrect, IRL it has simple IR (like 9L, 9M, R-73) + TV visualisation and report can’t be about adding 0.25 FoV for IR seeker because it is not IIR so it is about 0.25 FoV for current “Photocontrast” seeker what will give nothing for missile because this mode is already fully ignoring flares
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Type 11 would give nothing new and even be worse:
- AESA radars for SAM modelled same as PESA
- Here isn’t possibility to get 8 missiles per vehicle as it done on Type 81 so it will have 4 + 4 with box instead of 8 + 8
- Here isn’t IR missile, only radar one what can limit capabilities in some situations
- Here isn’t sight what can mean that here won’t be some mechanics what is currently missing on Type 81C when you don’t have radar. Also probably it will lose thermal but I am not sure here
- Missile is same in question of flight model. IRL it got new processors for autopilots and other improvements what won’t be effect on missile in WT
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There is no optical FCS like that of the Type 81C. However, the Type 11 seems to have an uncooled infrared sensor installed on its optical sight.
Also, since it has an IFF antenna, there’s no risk of losing friend-or-foe identification even if the TADS is damaged, unlike the Type 81C. (The Type 93 also has an IFF antenna, but it doesn’t function in the game. Why is it possible to lock onto F-4EJ? lol)
Even if the TADS is lost, it seems the TEL can still engage targets, though target tracking before launch appears to be manual. It may seem a bit inconvenient, but it’s not much different from the current situation where the Type 81C’s optical FCS doesn’t support LOAL firing.
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As I said I am not sure here so if there is normal sources for that so it is good
Yeah it has IFF so here is no problems, the only issue is that IFF is not added for optic only AA
Yeah in theory it is possiblem.
The only question is how they will model optic because current Type 81C in game has sight on the model but this new mechanic will require separate sight on ground? Or they will just attach sight somewhere on the vehicle where isn’t any optic on model
It is what I meant. For example Type 81A can be operated without radar can’t use LOAL mode without radar because it is missing optic FCS on vehicle what was added on Type 81C. Need to check Type 11 but it also looks like FCS is attached into radar vehicle so only mode for Type 11 without radar will be maddog
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Sorry, it wasn’t clear enough, but the imaging seeker is mainly the optical seeker.
Details on the IR band seeker function are limited, and it’s unknown if it is still imaging. Personally I think it’s unlikely since the Type 91 (also using EO/IR Lightwave seeker) was later upgraded to use an IIR seeker specifically to allow use in low-light environments. The IR seeker probably is not much different from the initial Type 81, so it would be contrast still.
Forgot to note that if wanna add Type 11 with launchers based on Toyota (the name of this vehicle is not Type 11 IRL but will call it so) need to know that this variant is missing possibility to be used without radar at all
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There were some JSDF tables where IR seeker was called IRH or similar but on Kanji. I am sure IR seeker is not IIR on Type 81C
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Yeah, personally I was writing it thinking less FOV would mean less interference (as it would in reality) but since that is modeled as a simple range and weather based limitation it wouldn’t do anything from FOV changes alone.
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Add being unable to unlock skins