Everything wrong with the Mirage IIIS

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The center drop tank should be the correct 730 liters coming 2.47.0.35
Still no underwing though (let’s pretend they are still modeling them)

Also:

  • Drop tank and SEPR booster can now be equipped together → good change
  • JATO and SEPR can now be equipped together → ok, idk if it could actually; more boost is always nice I guess

What worries me is the “additional fuel tank SEPR 844 Pod”

What’s that supposed to mean?!?

Originally when using the SEPR (in the “Soute arrière”), the “Soute avant” had to carry an additional kerosene tank for the SEPR, as the SEPR couldn’t be fed from the Mirage’s normal fuel tanks, so the canons had to be removed.

Later the design of the SEPR was changed, so it could feed off the Mirage’s normal tanks, and thus allow carrying canons and SEPR at the same time.

The Soute avant “could” also carry a conformal fuel tank, like the one in the Soute arrière when no SEPR was carried, but was not very commonly used.

So what are they intending with this “additional fuel tank SEPR 844 Pod”?

Certainly not more nitric acid for more SEPR burning time?!? That would be completely wrong, nitric acid was only carried in the tank that was part of the SEPR module that went into the Soute arrière…

Also JATO together with SEPR makes no sense, and carrying JATOS together with RUNT (fuselage drop tank) is not possible, and internal fuel was limited to 1500 liters when JATOs were used in total (as opposed to 2730 with Soute arrière.

Couldn’t find if JATO with SEPR is possible technically, but one has to keep in mind that JATOs were only used to evacuate damaged airfields and relocate to an undamaged base, NEVER to actually fight!

And btw, firing FALCOS is only possible after the RUNT has been dropped…

Just a text change I think, nothing to worry about

I’m really enjoying the Mirage IIIS at 10.3. It’ll probably get moved up to 10.7 eventually and become just as underwhelming and uninteresting as the Mirage IIIE (which is laughable at 10.7), but as long as it stays where it is, it’s a fun aircraft. Any significant upgrade in weaponry (even on the basis of historical data) will put him somewhere near BR 11, where it will be killed completely.

That said, I still don’t understand why people keep complaining about the Mirage IIIS supposedly having too low BR, while no one seems to care about the MiG-21 SMT and MF sitting at the same BR. Both of those aircraft are at least comparable to the Mirage IIIS, and in some aspects even significantly better.

It’s just how the brackets are now 10.3 is inbetween 2 brackets, 10.7 is securely in the one above it. So while on paper its just a 1 step increase which doesn’t sound too bad its like moving up effectively to 11.3 but you can’t see 12.0 games.

10.3 is like 60% 11.3 games 40% 9.7/9.3, going to 10.7 will be 90% 11.3/11.7 games and 10% 9.7/10.0.

Need decompression or more popular premiums below 10.7 to fix that.

I agree that decent premium aircraft with BR 10 or 10.3 would help a lot - BTW the Australian Mirage IIIO would be excellent for this, for example, which depending on armament could be a 9.7 or 10 and would certainly be popular.

Ya its just old subsonic CAS at 10.3 that get bullied into oblivion by supersonics and just people in general with a brain and AV8. Then you got some goofy outliers like mig21s yak38 etc.

Mig23ML has more matches played in a month than all the premiums below 11.3 combined pretty much. A-10 and j7d sit around 600k, while the ML is at 3.5 million, mig 21 bis premiums over 1 million.

Kinda sad when you think about it like 60-70% of the MM is just premiums and they dicatate these soft brackets. F104 is one of the most popular TT vehicles in any bracket and its just barely breaking 100k. Also creating situations where people dont get why they play 10.7 and get uptiered every match so they play 11.7 and get uptiered every match too. The 11.7 uptiers you see at 10.7 are just the lucky few guys at 11.7 that get their 1 or 2 in 10 game downtiers because that area is like 5x more populated, and the 12.3/7 premiums are dragging them up and those guys at 12.7 aren’t fairing much better but 12.3 is a great BR for downtiers.

gaijin for the love of jod give this thing its aim9P, even if its only the p3

Sounds good but if we are unlucky that migbt lead to a Br increase leaving the plane of worse over all.

ngl as it is rn with the 9Es it might actually go down in br lol

Very unlikely.

The 2 AIM-26Bs, the canards, counteameasures, the ability to equip the booster, even both if I understand things correctly and guns at the same time.

I fear that the only reason it is not 10.7 is the faact that it has onky AIM-9E.

Would be nice if they just foldered a late version, air isn’t like ground where it takes a F eternity to grind. I’m barely trying and im almost done with the swiss line. If there was a swiss line at these ranks in ground 4 vics id be in jail grinding with premiums for a week just to unlock them.

Its a soft way to balance loadouts for planes, and it would be less than 100k RP to unlock and optional for people that want to play it with the best armament it had access too even if the BR is unfavorable.

Would be funny if they ever hardlocked secondaries before queing and had variable BR’s for planes, but then you have to answer questions like what BR is a typhoon with no missiles? Or what BR is a SU34 with only r73 etc… it’s easier to do early/late versions foldered, would also open up the door for mudmovers to get lowered in BR with pure ground/a2a versions, something like CAS/FULL for A-10 to sit at 9.x in air with only guns and a2g and then the full loadout at 10.3.

The one we got in game is the late version with early AIM-9E which were in service in the 70s if I am not mistaken.

The airframe itself with canards and countermeasures is in a late 80s configuration while lacking AIM-9P5.

The early Mirage IIIS is a mirage IIIC with the Taran 18 radar, AIM-26 and AIM-9B/E and should not have countermeasures.
It would be incredible with AIM-26 and 9E at 9.7 and comparable enough to MiG-21S.

Ya like others have said as well it seems like we have some weird Frankenstein machine instead of just getting 2 with them foldered.

It is a shame.

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No. The Mirage IIIC was only a Test. The aircrafts we received were all Mirage IIIE with TARAN-18 and other modifications in order to fit caverns, as an example.

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All Mirage IIIS J-23xx had chaff/flare right from the start. The KAWEST Model received new chaff/flare dispenser. Thats all.
Mirage IIIC J-2201 was an experimental aircraft. Never saw service.

Thx man I always confuse it.

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That does perhaps explain why they are not bothering with a early version.

Seeing the early variant at 10.0 with AIM-9E would be wonderful.

I wouldn’t surprise me, if at a later stage, GJ comes up with J-2201 as Premium or Event Vehicle