With whats essentially a 9M its not going to be lower than 12.0; and there the airframe will immensely suffer.
I can settle for 9P-4 instead of 9P-5… ;-)
i think at that point the radar will be the greatest issue even if its fixed hampering your ability to use the missiles to their full extent
I have a report on the falcon to reduce how much chaff affects it and for better tracking overall so that should be eliminated at some point
A mirage 3 at 11.0 with 9p-4s would be fantastic. It would probably end up being 11.3 due to how potent that combination is tho…
mirage 3 with only 2 9p4s is not gonna be 11.3 lol, imo 9p4 is worse than an r60m and the mig 21bis gets a better fm and much more missiles at 11.0, It will definitely be 11.0. Only way for the mirage 3 to go above 11.0 is if it gets p5 which are 9m rip offs, and will be shoved to 11.7
Mig 21 bis shouldnt be 11.0 so its not a perfect example. TBH i forgot it was in the german TT, it could and would probably sit around 10.7 11.0. If it was french it would almost certainly go to 11.3 as soon as it saw good missiles with good radar missiles. Big difference in average skill level between the 2 nations.
Also, am i the only one who actually quite likes r60ms? They are great in the head on sub 0.5km as well as dunking from above like how you would use a 9l (if your going fast enough theyll catch a guy 4km away from top down).
Decompression would be nice but that is all I can agree on.
People say decompression, its nice and all but be realistic. Its not going to happen anytime soon and a jet over performing should be moved up instead of saying itll suffer slightly if it does. If its making an entire br bracket suffer then move it. Eventually, doing this, the game will naturally decompress itself. Instead we have jets moving up and down as they stomp a br down but get stomped a br up. Keep them up and move whatevers stomping them up and so on.
It is not overperforming in my opinion.
You wish people to be realistic regarding decomprrssion only to claim the game will decompress itself? Interesting.
The thing is I would be onboard if every plane that can be a bit to much of a nuisance at around 10.3 was moved up but if it is only going to be a Mirage again I’m against it.
Disregarding the fact of course that this would likely just doom those jets in favour of generating some breathing room for 9.3 and 9.7.
Mirage IIIS can be dominant but half my kills were practically given to me for free.
In SIM I always have to work comparatively hard to get kills and defend myself. Wouldn’t say at all that atm the MIRO is in any way overpowered at 10.3.
Notable adversaries are:
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Japanese F-1 (and even lower BR T-2’s), as their PD radars really give them a massive advantage over the Mirage, and also packs the superior AIM-9P’s - four of them even…
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French Mirage IIIC and F-8E: while inferior when it comes to defense, their vastly superior Magic I’s make them extremely dangerous in a 1vs1
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Swedish J-35XS, as they carry three times the amount of superior AIM-9J’s, but at the slight disadvantage of lacking RWR.
To give the Mirage IIIS AIM-9P-3’s would be the very least to make it reasonably competitive while keeping its current BR…
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The mirage 3s isnt, i was more on about the mig 21 mf/smt and other 10.3 jets that have the fm, missiles and countermeasures the 10.0s it faces dont have let alone anything lower. Its just that the mirage 3s is a little oppressive, and if given the 9p-3 or 9p-4 it could be moved up and sit at a better br with a better suite of weapons. If given 9p-3s it couldn’t sit at 10.3 anymore.
Who said it was overpowered?
I am an RB player so as long as I have countermeasures I do not care about IR guided missiles for the most part.
The jets you mentioned can of course be dangerous in various scenarios but with the worry about missiles remived they are nothing but targets most of the time.
As I said I had many people practically offering themselves for free ghe way they played which is why I think that Mirage IIIS is fine at 10.3 while being dominant.
It’s an issue for the shole bracket.
The various 10.3/10.7 Mirage and MiG and Draken variants are all similar enough to be at the same Br mostly. Moving any of them lower for a deficiency is impossible while they would quickly become obsolete if uptiered.
It is a general compression issue as is the case with mist problems in War Thunder.
Fine, but the better question is if the jets at 9.3 should, or can, face them instead of them being able to face 11.7. And i can say for certain the mfs for example can handle any 11.7 in the game where as only jets like the ariete have any real chance against a mig that knows what hes doing. Same with the mig 21 bis facing jets with no countermeasures like the f4c instead of facing 12.3 which it can easily face. I bring the mig 21 bis up to 12.0 as my friend plays the f4s and i do just fine because it has enough.
I am aware it’s not 100% the same like “dominant”, but says a bit the same, no? The fact that one dominates means that in one way or another it is at an advantage over the other…
Maybe in your case it’s not the MIRO that’s dominant, but you as its pilot are. ;-)
A bit of both maybe.^^
With dominant I mean it is certainly one of the better 10.3 jets but that does not necessitate a increased Br automatically.
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I dot not know about SB but in RB bringing the Bis that high is suicide.
I remember when the CL-13s were rough at 9.3/9.7 but a lot has changed since then.
I played the Hunter F.6 for the first time recently and was doing alright in it.
There are some deaths you can not avoid but that starts with Ayit at 9.3 long before any MiG or Mirage becomes a problem.
Granted there are not to many 11.7s around but A-10C would be a problem for sure.
MiG-23MLD/MLA would eat most 10.3s for breakfeast in most situations as well.
If A-10C was moved to 12.0 and all 10.3 jets placed at 10.7 I would be fine with it but how likely is that?
I give up, obviously your not going to care. Big skill issue if your dying that much in a bis in uptiers, if i can manage on average 3 kills a game in it at 12.0 i think people can handle it at 11.3. A10c is bullshit anyway and is doing the EXACT SAME THING the mig 21s and so on are doing at 10.3. SO its retarded of you saying that when ive already said moving everything up is better than moving a mirage 3e down.
You need to take the time to read what I’m saying.
Our opinions are mor aligned than you think but there are some nuances where I disagree.
i am really curious on why do people think this thing getting rear aspect 9ps would move it to 10.7