Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield

Probably too strong, but the lack of HOBS is definetly the biggest WVR bottleneck we have right now

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Yeah, they need to finish the FM at some point or at least fix the drag issues, but I think I prefer the FM now than before because you can actually turn. Also taking off and landing doesnt feel like im flying an overladen airliner

Its 2nd or at worst 4th,not entirely sure how it compares to F2/ JAS39 but those 2 planes are really close in performance

I think that’s sarcasm bro

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As of the new Rafale FM, the F-2 beats both the Rafale and Gripen in the 2c, but loses the 1C and in stall fights.

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Hey friendly fire lmaoooo, I’m not against Rafale (nor EFT). My comment was also flagged again just because responding a bait.

TWS+ (more like TWS-) did make a lot of radars really annoying.

Seems like they heard “bring Captor-M more into line with other top tier radars” and instead of buffing the Captor-M, they just made all other mechanical radars more annoying to deal with. Truely a Gaijin moment.

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so What better Rafale or Eurofighter? In long range missle battle and Dogfight with guns.

For long range BVR. Typhoon. Aim-120C5s can outrange MICA EM (providing you can get the radar to cooperate)

For Short-medium range BVR where MICA is within range, then the Radar performance on the Rafale and the superior seeker and kinematic performance of the MICA EM more than likely pulls out in front. Especially in those shorter range fights as the Rafale can fire MICAs from within a notch.

Also worth mentioning, BOL Chaff on the Typhoon doesnt really work all that great at the moment, so defeating a short range ARH is extremely hard n the Typhoon

For dogfights, then Rafale by a significant margin. Magic II and MICA EM are vastly superior to Aim-9M and Aim-120B/C5 within the context of a short range dogfight. Also the Rafale has several tools like HMD IFF that give it an edge in a SB Furball (though the Typhoon is suppose to have the same)

For gunfights, I have no idea. Would change based upon the exact conditions of the fight. But Gunfights rarely actually happen in game

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Gunfights now, after the rafale flight model nerf, are in the Typhoon’s favour. Also noticed the MICAs seem to spin out a decent bit at low speed now too, but are still very deadly.

Someone called Prae apparently.

aged like milk

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the “documentation” was also an invalid source

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Except I was right and ended up being right, since the report got closed because it only contained a video?

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There is a toxic undercurrent between both communities.

It’s funny the Typhoon is now superior in slow speed “dog fighting” The area the Rafale should be superior in.

Yet the high altitude high speed performance the Rafale is superior to Typhoon when it should be inferior.

Gaijin can resolve this issues easilly but choose not to. And I’m going to be honest I see many more nerfs for Typhoon and Rafale as they are both massively superior (in terms of kinematics) to anything else they face

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I approved, It should have been like this since the beginning, but why it have not been applied, idk .

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Rafale was already pretty accurate, but indeed if Typhoon can have that magical high altitude speed like Rafale, that would be great.

Honestly, just some opinion, EFT still outaccelerate Rafale in every scenario, however, at reaching Mach 2, for some reason Rafale was better.

Idk, Gaijin feel that it’s already unrealistic for the proposed supercruise speed for Rafale due to how simplified the supersonic coded in War Thunder.

Its not funny its just that the Typhoon its also overperforming.

Not in “every” scenario.

The Rafale blows it out of the water in supersonic acceleration, and the acceleration difference at subsonic speeds seems to be negligeable. Statshark has it passing the EFT around M1.5 ish, but I have doubts about it, seeing as my unspaded Rafale keeps up with my spaded EFT, and still outaccelerates it to M2.0.

Ive never gotten around to testing spaded vs spaded tho cuz I dont really care for playing a blatantly overpowered jet like the Rafale, so I havent spaded it yet. Its just not fun to play.

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It does, I have also tried it in a drag race Scenario with my friend and in a usual BVR Loadout, EFT outaccelerate Rafale in any run. In normal battle however, the reason why Rafale can achieve that magical Mach 2 was due to the energy retention still good even after the nerf, EFT turn like a boat, it’s hard to maintain more than Mach 1.3 when turning, while Rafale having no problem with this, and severely limited with its low VnE, which mean, only at super high altitude Rafale will excel.

However, can achieving Mach 2 in a normal match, for me is a double edged sword, because when you can reach this speed, then any pursuit aircraft launching missile at that high altitude, also can easily reach you, so I don’t think this is pretty useful, and I’m more of convinced what makes Rafale good at that high altitude was due to its energy retention, in fact, if Gaijin didn’t buff Rafale top speed, it would be hilariously performing bad.

So, even Rafale can reaching Mach 2 wasn’t a necessary absolute power considering how most Air RB match played out (I don’t want to bring sim here, I don’t play sim, and I only based my argument on my experience on ARB), in fact IMO, it’s pretty much a tradeoff so MICA can be launched further away (but also makes you a hot target due to higher RCS at high speed and high alt). Because, in EFT, even when you launch at Mach 1.3-1.4 at high altitude against a target (let’s just say) 45 KM away, it can still be reached easily thanks to AMRAAM being the jack of all trade, while MICA bleed so much speed due to how stupid the server sync and also still sitting in a way more gimped state than other Fox 3.

Again, this is due to the problem with how simplified supersonic speed coded in War Thunder, I’d understand how Rafale can hilariously still accelerate even after more than Mach 2, my gripe on this is, Gaijin shouldn’t brought this or if they fair, should also buff EFT Supersonic speed (which would be way unrealistic because in common sense, EFT will always beat Rafale in a straight line). That’s why even in the comment, the dev said, “Mach 1.4 was unrealistic, and had to be adjusted to around Mach 1.3 to make it realistic (in game)”. F-18 should not go supersonic with its Dual Rack AMRAAM, and yet, it can thanks to how simplified War Thunder’s Supersonic Code.

I don’t understand how you would be complaining about aircraft that are overpowered, this is literal first world problem. Then what’s supposed to be playing EFT? It’s fun because it’s underpowered?

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