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The Typhoon doesnt need massive fixes
It needs the Radar completly reworked
And some minor changes to the fm.
I do agree we have to be aggressive while having the poorest payload and then are forced to play passively. Even the pro players do not enjoy Typhoon as it doesn’t really excel at anything.
You struggle to find and fix targets with the Rafale the MICA can sit in or near the notch the 120s lethality at all ranges are quite easy to defeat.
And the Su-30SM while being largely inferior is better in air RB due to it’s radar and payload.
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Could’ve make fake radar of it if Gaijin being too lazy, J-11B use F-15C Radar Performance but with Flanker N0001 Range.
It’s already got one. Thats kinda the issue.
Its Blue Vixen with tweaked numbers, not CAPTOR-M.
Though there is always CAESER if they dont want to add CAPTOR-E
Seriously?
It went from the best to… the best.
Still has the best radar
Still has the best ARH missiles
Still has the best WVR missiles
Heck, it still even has the best HMD
So it can no longer bully anything and everything in every single situation. (though quite frankly, its still probably the second best FM in game now, at least it will be after the Typhoon gets buffed) But it will still win a 1v1 99% of the time because it just out techs everyone else.
In a 1v1 vs a Typhoon, the Rafale is going to get firing solutions for both thier missiles a LOT quicker and easier than the Typhoon will and in a BVR setting without markers (like say ASB) the Rafale will dominate there too against the Typhoon with its current radar issues.
I dont know why there is such a giant fixation on raw FM as if top tier is guns only. Its like me trying to argue that the Tornado F3 Late should be 11.7 because it can’t win gunfights at its BR. Id get laughed at.
what the best fm rn according to you?
So this is what Eurofighter mains think the Rafale should perform like, huh. A gen 4.5 fighter that is worse than a notably sluggish and bad dogfighting gen 3. God forbid france take their experience from decades of delta wing design research and make use of it to build a solid fighter.
Abusing flags again? Naughty naughty.
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Honestly. I have no idea and changes heavily depending on alt, speeds, etc etc. Maybe Typhoon now just because of its TWR but I also generally avoid WVR in the Typhoon due to a number of issues (like no HOBS missiles and BOL is useless at defending against short range ARH)
As i said. RAW FM is one half of the coin. A Tornado with HMD, AESA and MICA and Magic IIs wouldnt become the best 14.0 in game, but equally I dont think the Rafale would be top dog if it was limited to CAPTOR-M, Aim-9Ms and Aim-120C5s
Its the combo of maybe the best or certainly probably the second best FM in game AND the best equipment and loadout that gives the Rafale such an overwhelming advantage in every theatre. even GRB where the devs are artificially nerfing the Typhoon loads in terms of CAS payload the Rafale just holds the overwhelming advantage
And the Typhoon could and should get many of the features that the Rafale has that gives it such an advantage. Like for example the HMD IFF thing which is a massive QoL buff if nothing else in SB. Bug report was submitted 7 months ago
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Well Gaijin could’ve pick better rather instead of that accursed Blue Vixen Radar lol.
See, thats the thing… Blue Vixen on the FA2 and Gripen. Works great, has had none of the issues plaguing the Typhoon since its introduction. Might be extenuating factors like the Gripen and especially FA2 are slower and so you dont “feel” the problems quite as much, but im reasonably confident that those radars are largely fine.
If we had a straight C&P of Blue Vixen. We’d probably be better off than we are right now with Buggy Vixen/GOLDFISH-M that we have right now.
and if absolutely nothing else. On the Blue Vixen, you get non-PD SRC modes that you can always use instead of TWS
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Well I never thought that EFT originally using Blue Vixen as placeholder radar, I haven’t unlocked Typhoon in the Storm Warning dev server. Honestly, they could’ve picked F-15 Radar to simulate how powerful CAPTOR-M is.
But I do agree, yeah, at least even it’s so slow, it’s actually useable. I do understand sometimes it just won’t lock.
Blue Vixen makes sense because the CAPTOR-M was a heavily upgraded and modified version of the Blue Vixen. Half the stats we have for the CAPTOR-M are pulled from or at the very least, supported by data from the Blue Vixen, which is a lot easier to find. (things like scan rate is semi-based upon Blue Vixen data)
But CAPTOR-M should be fine. But its missing 3/4 of its features and I do think they need to delete it and code it from scratch. I think its just a collection of overlapping patches and bodges that just conflict with each other. Especially if it started out in life as a Blue Vixen that they then modified. Throw in TWS+ issues ontop of that and boom. Buggy Vixen.
Though the ACM/HMD hard locking issues that seems to have arisen since the major update are especially annoying.
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Truly a wonder how devs manage to break on’y the CAPTOR-M and no other radars, mechanical or not. Haven’t had any issues with any of the vehicles I have played d(Mirage F1, 2000C, 2000-5F and rafale).
Although guns and radar missiles are still broken somewhat
God knows, but its not the first time either.
Took about 6 months on the Tornado F3 before it’s radar would actually work. Youd lock onto a target (at alt, coming straight at you with PD, as solid a lock as you could get) and then fire a Skyslug and it would just self destruct like it wasnt being guided. Also somehow 9ls did the same. For about 6 months it wasnt uncommon to need all 4 Skyslugs to have 1 that would actually guide onto target. Did get a little better after they replaced the radar with a much later variant of the Foxhunter, but not fully.
But I do find it wierd that 2/2 attempts to add GMTI to the Typhoons radar has broken something so badly that they had to remove it again.
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Tornado F.3 releasing with the Blue Circle radar instead of the Foxhunter. Classic gaijin moment.
Yeah…
I still 100% standby the idea that the Tornados get a bad rep in game because of how aweful they were on release and if they had done a much better release for them (Both the IDS and ADV) then they would be far more liked today
I disagree on that, my only experience with the Tornado was after it got fixed and buffed decently and it’s still not exactly the most fun or capable fighter of the BR. Although that’s saying more about the F-4S with magic multipath ignoring AIM-7F than it is about the Tornado F.3.
It requires the right playstyle/player imo. But I slapped a Mig-23, an F-4 and an F-18 trying to hide in MP yesterday in the F3. Was rather funny.
Obviously it cant dogfight, but as a SARH truck, its really good these days. Just needs CMs fixing.
As for the IDS though. Going from barely being able to take off and only having 56 CMs to being able to take off easily even at max weight and having 56 flares and 1200 chaff is awesome. Even better is the GR4 with 600 flares and 600 chaff.
Adding IRIS-T to the Typhoon would make it on par with Rafales MICA’s
It was great before the top speed nerf tbh, it was one of the funnest 12.0 because you outrun anything at that BR.