“The Brimstone”? My guy you’ve got up to 18, take the piss spam the Pantsir. What do you think SEAD operations look like? Single weapon and happy days?
clearly not if Morvran is to be believed if it is taking more then 6 missiles to kill a single SPAA then that is not a good ratio there is also the issue of if there is a second spaa (more often then not there is) you cant engage both at the same time
And you think 1x PGM-500 would do better? Hell even if you had access to 6x PGM-500, it still less likely to kill a Pantsir than Brimstone, as its actually slower, its wayyyy more visible and requires line of sight for the duration, atleast Brimstone will loft to target area.
Gunjob, do you know if the Pull Up Arrow in the HUD got allready somewhere reported?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/SsjmT4eX0zQb
Because I could swear I saw it allready sonewhere…
idk what to tell you we are grasping at straws here to get a weapon that isnt terrible where you have to expend half of your entire payload for a single kill while also working far harder for it then everyone else
The difference would be the ability to attack differrently.
Or at the very least, once you have successfully dealt with SEAD, you can do what everyone else can do. Spam off AGMs in volleys rather than having to engage 1 target at a time with PW4s or Brimstones.
All weapons have that issue? I don’t know why you’re placing increased value in weapons being self-guiding being at all any better at not being intercepted? Brimstone gives you the ability to completely saturate any and all SPAA.
If you’ve successfully completely your DEAD mission you can loiter 2-3km above the battle and completely milk the team with only ~5-8 seconds between kills when nosing down.
I’ve done it plenty of times. Hell I’ve seen EFT’s completely clean up doing this. Can be done with GR4 as well;
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idk if its just because the EFT takes more skill or if its rarer or what but I rarely see an EFT get more then 1 to 2 kills at top tier
Last time I had a match with 0 SPAA. I was average 2 or 3 hits with Brimstones for a kill and so was just relying on my PW4s to get kills, but was really annoying when there was 2 or 3 targets in an area and I was forced to engage 1 at a time and when the first died, the others defended with smoke.
But 12-18x Brimstones to deal with a singel Pantsir is rather insane imo, let alone if they have 2 or 3 and thats just what we have now.
Its also annoying that Brimstones have 0 value in ASB at the moment on either the GR4 or FGR4. To the point i’ve never run them. PGM-500s would allow you to at least deal with the convoy SPAA in a single volley for example instead of loitering for ages engaging 1 target at a time in enemy air space.
In either case. the fact we have Brimstone 1s on the Typhoon or even the Tornado instead of Brimstone 2s is just insane.
My own experience is 1 hit 1 kill, I can count on 1 hand the number of times my brimstone failed to 1 tap something. Probably more of an issue with the AI targets than Brimstone.
I have no idea then, but I was getting hits left right and centre. I find them extremely inconsistant, so I generally double tap every attack with them.
Very likely to be the AI targets being a bit shit with terrain, I’ve seen them phase through terrain and the TGP locks can be very off from what appears to be the vehicles actual position.
I will say if there is zero SPAA then yeah you can get a lot of kills, the issue is because you have to hover over the battlefield it only takes one person jumping in SPAA, where as with say 6 MAVs you shoot them off and dip with no fear of retaliation, like is the kill potential far lower? yes but its also far safer in this scenario
No, this was player targets in GSB. I never run Brimstones in ASB, only ever PW4s because at least I can FnF them against the static targets. Its dangerous enough in ASB at the moment with Su-30s and Rafales buzzing about to take the few seconds to drop some PW4s. let alone loiter for 5 minutes killing 1 target at a time and announcing to the entire match exactly where you are. and thats in the Typhoon.
In the Tornado it would be more like 10 minutes and you stand no chance vs the Mig-29s
Yeah well I’m not arguing there is no value in FnF, that would be insane. What I am arguing is that somehow Brimstone is useless and that PGM-500 will be the saviour when its only upside is FnF and its terrible in almost all other categories. I use them on GR4 in ARB as mini Storm Shadows for bases, their use in GRB is very very limited by the SPAA they will face.
I would say PGM-500/2000 is one of the easier intercepted weapons out there, don’t even need a Pantsir for it. I wouldn’t put any stock in the ability for the Flakbus with VT-1s on defeating Brimstone. But it would clap a PGM-500/2000 without issue.
I think what is needed is for Gaijin to hurry up and add MMW.
This continued denial of it sucks both for the Apache and for the Tornado/Typhoon.
With new SPAA coming, it will be needed sooner rather than later.
You can barely fight a Pantsir with Brimstone 1s . How we are meant to deal with S300s or whatever the soviets are getting is beyond me.
TBF I dont think MMV brimstones would help you there lmao
Spear-3s would at very long ranged volleys