Skipped PESA straight to AESA
HMD from very very late in its service or even the next version
IRST that by the looks of things it couldnt actually use
8x MICA from the export variant
Typhoon:
Buggiest radar at top tier at the moment and barely usable
HMD that is missing loads of features like DL IFF
an ahistorically early version of an ahistorically nerfed AGM
Missing loads of GBU options
etc etc
Feels like Rafale got every single feature it could get, even features that weren’t strictly speaking present on the Rafale that is meant to be represented and yet the Typhoon is denied fairly basic features of even its initial production variant.
Oh I was only bringing it up because a Rafale bro came in and made a report about pirate because they conflated sensor FOV and sensor scan area, I fully expect no change or a simple renaming.
I’m simply trying to point out that tit for tat reports are stupid, and that we could all find dodgy/bad sources to nerf whatever we want.
PIRATE was originally designed and developed by Pilkington Thorn Optronics. PTO was then taken over by Thales who then assumed responsibility for the project. French wouldn’t produce such an obsolete system.
Unless you consider the fact we have the earliest version of the Typhoon currently and can get later versions outselves… (yes it is technically the second version but we dont even have a decent representation of the prototype Typhoons yet)
My god. What did the Typhoon do to you for you to outright despise it so much?
Typhoon will destroy the Rafale once we get our IRL performance and the Rafale gets nerfed down to its IRL performance. To be entirely fair. We should have the T4 Typhoons currently compared to what the French have gotten with the Rafale F4
Considering Pilkington competed against Thorn EMI (& FIAR/Leonardo) for the PIRATE contract and lost, as the Pirate contract selection occurred in 1992 and the Pilkington-Thorn merger wasn’t until 1995, I would be surprised that was the case. My Point was more that Thales is both the UK & France’s Optronics industry. Saying the UK optronics industry hasn’t made sufficient progress to warrant an upgrade is a farcical argument.
+ Due to production delays, the first Pirate units weren’t delivered until 2007 (AM) & 2008 (RAF), so well after the 2000 purchase of the last of Pilkington by Thomson-CSF (later Thales Group) to become Thales and Pilkington Optronics (later just Thales Optronics), adding to their 50% purchase in 1991, and 40% purchase in 1998.
My god, you people on both sides are completely insufferable.
How about you both stay in your own lane, quit playing the suffering olympics/phallus measuring contest and get your favorite planes fixed instead of trying to sabotage the other one?
The only result that is guaranteed from your collective efforts is both aircraft end up neutered. Then we get even more US domination. You’ll have played yourselves, and ruined things for everyone aside from the bloody americans.
Is it really that hard to focus your efforts on getting your plane fixed WITHOUT sabotaging their rival? The phallus measuring competition and suffering Olympics aren’t necessary for anything.
As a very tired neutral third party (I have both the UK EF2000 and Rafale unlocked, waiting for them to be in a stable state before grinding the SL to purchase them, don’t give me anything about bias) you lot are just sabotaging yourselves.
This goes for all parties involved on both sides. Quit the pointless bickering. Get your planes fixed without trying to kill the fixes for the other one.