Yeah, should have added “up to” and “in theory” to the 50km. But in that context was thinking PIRATE+ASRAAM as basically BVR with no RWR pings, head on, at alt anyway. But essentially your more accurate data (I was going completely roughly off the top of my head) is what I was thinking. Typhoon with IRIS-T would be better close in brawler. Typhoon with ASRAAM would be the better for stand-off, longer range engagements. Especially combined with that IRST.
(especially when we consider that Typhoon vs Typhoon will probably be quite common.)
Yeah, it would be strong, but its Britains best option for a 12.3 ish SPAA I reckon. Assuming they go that way. I reckon our next 11.7 SPAA would be the Rapier but it would have the same range as ADATS as far as I am aware.
(I think rank 8 SPAA will be defined by increased range)
The conclusion is that going forward either new DIRCM systems would need to be developed that have lasers powerful enough to actually damage the missile seeker, or that an approach other than traditional DIRCM is needed.
If dazzle lasers are not effective against imaging seekers, the logical next step is to increase the laser power to effect damage on the focal plane. However, the power level required to achieve this would still produce rapidly diminishing irradiance across the rest of the focal plane, creating an exploitable signal. Although it is theoretically possible to design seekers that are hardened against laser damage, it is not clear that such designs are practical. Current DIRCM systems operate with laser power of a few watts, and achieving damage would likely require laser power of 100W or more. Increasing the power even further would characterize the system as a directed energy weapon, rather than a DIRCM laser jammer.
Our future work will focus on developing alternative countermeasures against imaging seekers. Lasers powerful enough to enable effective jamming would be sufficient to damage most optical systems. However, unless designers are willing to include such large lasers on aircraft, the search for effective countermeasures may need to move in another direction.
IRIS-T’s does have an advantage against DIRCM in that the scanning array seeker is only exposed to the laser intermittently (as the array scans over the laser 80 times a second) instead of continuously like a staring array. That would make it harder for a laser to damage the seeker, but as noted above it does not mean IRIS-T is the only missile resistant to DIRCM.
I felt like something was wrong, so i wanted to look it up when i wake up. But you did it for me, thank you :)
After all why would a missile that instead of going for the hottest thing, “takes a picture” of ir signature and compare it to the “picture” it had before would be fooled by it. And when it comes to “resistant” it can be used in 2 ways. Resistant to the effect of dircm, or resistant to the damage it can cause.
I can’t see the IRIS-T being that useful against a ASRAAM spamming Phoon. If I can launch up to 6 ASRAAM from ranges out to ~40km using the LOAL and using Pirate for the queuing, I don’t see the IRIS-T carrier getting into effective range alive.
Ofcourse that’s just in a speculative 1v1 and I’d need to adjust those tactics in the ARB swarm.
Also i wonder. If we get pirate, will we be able to do a multi tracking. I mean in a way we have 2 separate radar screens, one for captor and one for pirate? Multitasking embodiment
The ASRAAM is able to lock someone behind the launching aircraft, come of the rails, turn 180, and hit them. Sounds like all the dogfighting capability you need, and as far as I am aware the IRIS-T doesn’t have the same capability.
Both are able to do. The difference is how they make it. ASRAAM by turning tail fins hard and using the way its body is made to make the turn sharp, irist by vectoring. Both are LOAL, DL and are able to be guided using data from another sensor (data sharing network)
IIRC the Javelin has two screens one is for radar and one looks like an IRST screen but I don’t think it had one.
But yes we should be able to do something as the IRST is fixed but the radar, gimbal-mounted so you could look off to the side with the radar, whilst having up to a 150km range on the IRST facing forwards.
yeah the british and saudi ones have it fitted and the spanish ones have the panels for it but not the warners themselves. all eurofighters are ofc capable of carrying them and have the necessary wiring.
thats just FLIR lol. its likely possible to do the same with a TPOD
IRIS-T’s missile intercept capability and integration in the Praetorian DASS system would in theory allow it to just shoot down the ASRAAM’s as the aircrafts ranges are closing.
I don’t think the fight would be as one sided as you think, granted I also don’t think it would be much more than a simple draw into a guns only merge or a mutual kill assuming equal skill by both pilots. That’s also assuming the German Typhoon doesn’t use the IRIS-T to shoot down Meteors during the BVR stage, allowing it to be more aggressive and try to win the fight before even getting into ASRAAM range.
