Thales only later assumed responsibility for the PIRATE project. It is still an early 1990s product from the UK’s Pilkington Thorn.
You have a source for that, bud?
Unless you consider the fact we have the earliest version of the Typhoon currently and can get later versions outselves… (yes it is technically the second version but we dont even have a decent representation of the prototype Typhoons yet)
My god. What did the Typhoon do to you for you to outright despise it so much?
Typhoon will destroy the Rafale once we get our IRL performance and the Rafale gets nerfed down to its IRL performance. To be entirely fair. We should have the T4 Typhoons currently compared to what the French have gotten with the Rafale F4
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Considering Pilkington competed against Thorn EMI (& FIAR/Leonardo) for the PIRATE contract and lost, as the Pirate contract selection occurred in 1992 and the Pilkington-Thorn merger wasn’t until 1995, I would be surprised that was the case. My Point was more that Thales is both the UK & France’s Optronics industry. Saying the UK optronics industry hasn’t made sufficient progress to warrant an upgrade is a farcical argument.
+ Due to production delays, the first Pirate units weren’t delivered until 2007 (AM) & 2008 (RAF), so well after the 2000 purchase of the last of Pilkington by Thomson-CSF (later Thales Group) to become Thales and Pilkington Optronics (later just Thales Optronics), adding to their 50% purchase in 1991, and 40% purchase in 1998.
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They don’t have F4 Rafale though
They have multiple features that should only be found on the F4.
Like HMD and IRST (heck 8x MICA was never done in French Service on the C F3)
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Oh ok. They should bring it in line with the real F3R standard then
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Yup… But we have a French main trying to get fake nerfs for the Typhoon
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Agreed
You guys are spaming this (which is false) on the Rafale thread since it’s out
At this point can they give us the Fox hunter radar untill they decide to fix the Captor it will be far better
My god, you people on both sides are completely insufferable.
How about you both stay in your own lane, quit playing the suffering olympics/phallus measuring contest and get your favorite planes fixed instead of trying to sabotage the other one?
The only result that is guaranteed from your collective efforts is both aircraft end up neutered. Then we get even more US domination. You’ll have played yourselves, and ruined things for everyone aside from the bloody americans.
Is it really that hard to focus your efforts on getting your plane fixed WITHOUT sabotaging their rival? The phallus measuring competition and suffering Olympics aren’t necessary for anything.
As a very tired neutral third party (I have both the UK EF2000 and Rafale unlocked, waiting for them to be in a stable state before grinding the SL to purchase them, don’t give me anything about bias) you lot are just sabotaging yourselves.
This goes for all parties involved on both sides. Quit the pointless bickering. Get your planes fixed without trying to kill the fixes for the other one.
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Well yeah, we kinda need that stuff to stay alive
I agree upon this term since i also have all the Eurocanards
Its just that some beed a bit fixing
Construction-wise seen from a logical point of view: I still don’t get why the Rafale is now insanely more maneuverable than the Eurofighter. Nothing in its construction allows it to be, except the slightly higher aspect ratio of the wing. It has less TWR, higher wing load, Canards placed and constructed to increase lift more than increasing maneuverability. Additionally the air intakes of the Rafale are static and not variable which should result in a great thrust loss at high speeds and especially at high AoAs.
The point of the placement of the canards on the Rafale was to increase the lift of the wings by influencing the flow behavior over the wing like on the Saab JA 37 Viggen and therefore letting it start and land on shorter runways (e.g. aircraft carriers). The closer the canards are placed to the wing, the greater the effect of increased lift, especially at high AoAs (less at low AoAs or level flight).
In contrast, the canards of the EF are placed way forward of the wing, which gives them a much greater lever of attack, resulting in much greater instant turn rate and response to pilot inputs at all speeds and AoAs.
The difference can be seen if you compare the minimal possible speed of both aircraft:
Eurofighter: 203 km/h
Rafale: 148 km/h
The current state in game feels like they switched up the principles of construction of these planes in my opinion based on the aerodynamical principles of plane construction…
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We are trying to get the Typhoon fixed. But we are cosntantly having to defend the Typhoon from fake nerfs from French mains. So if you want to aovid the Typhoon community retalitating and finding sources to nerf the Rafale. I would suggest telling the French mains to stop attacking the Typhoon cosntantly.
Case in point:
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The Typhoon had outstanding bug reports to buff its STR, ITR and speed when they issued the latest round of nerfs which is why we are so mad about them. The Typhoon legitamtely feels like it can barely maintain supersonic speeds without reheat these days. Which is just insane.
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It’s not though. If the same standard were applied to the Typhoon. We’d ahve CAPTOR-E not CAPTOR-M. Striker II not Striker I HMD, Spear-3s, AMK, etc etc. It is pretty clear why Typhoon players are mad. We can barely get a Typhoon DA level of performance at the moment
Go look at every post from MythicPi on the Rafale thread since it’s out, about nerfing speed, radar, etc. without any backup
Yep physics, aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, law of conservation of energy, etc. are all marketing lies of manufacturers.
Didn’t SPEAR 3 just get tested or something?