Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

So, if you are say in SB, the person shooting at you is below you and out of contrail height and the missile being fired is smokeless. All you are getting is a quick flash of a MAWS warning in a general direction and just have to defend against any and every possible MAWS ping just incase its actually a missile fired at you and not just a teammate dropping a flare?

I’m sorry. I’m AIR RB main and I do not play SB.

Even in ARB.

Something like ASRAAM is smokeless, so will only provide a marker when the motor is burning. You might see the launch aircraft, you also might not. If you are busy in a dogfight and you get a random MAWS ping from somehwere random, you probably arent going to worry about it too much. If you even have the MAWS enabled to avoid wasting CMs on random missiles or flares. At least this is what I would have to do in teh GR4 if it didnt have infinite CMs

Whilst with PD MAWS. I 100% know that there is a missile coming and where exactly it is and it shoudlnt trigger on flares or missiles that arent actively engaging my aircraft

Though I am of the opinion that markers need to be removed from ARB. Or at the very least. Trialed in an event

They added skin temperature for missile around the time they buffed all MAWs. I don’t k ow if that’s correlated tho.

On one hand the rafale has limited CM, but on the other, it’s not like the EFT’s CM are that useful when they auto drop.
I mainly use the maw as an alarm yes personally, unless I play very aggressive and don’t expect to live very long (such as when I am doing CAP). For IR MAW in game they are very inconsistent, sometimes detecting at 15-20km (R27E for example), sometimes at less than 5km (ADATS missile is very inconsistent in that regard).

IRL, the MAW should give the omnidirectional direction (up, down), and is also advertised to give time to impact values, but I personally don’t know how they manage that. There’s only one captor for each sector, meaning no parallax calculation (like the PIRATE passive ranging), so maybe they use algorithms to calculate the distance from the size and spectral output of the target (since it’s basically a high definition thermal camera), with all the inaccuracies involved.

I think that was all to do with making it easier for IR SAM systems to lock onto ordanance, Probably also with the latest advanced IR SAMs in mind

That is the same for the DASS iirc

Isn’t it reduced smoke rather than smokeless ? Edit : because if so, the MICA is also waiting on a reduced smoke report

For IR MAW of the rafale they removed flare detection recently, so it now usually only trigger when missiles are coming your way. The issue with the rafale is the limited number of CM.

Kinda tested it in the SEAD event, was pretty fun. I agree with you here.

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I think Aim-9M is often stated as “reduced smoke” Its just a nation specific term. As there are factors like alt and weather that can affect a missiles visibility. In game its basically on or off. I reckon it will have none for now.

What you see in that video could just be contrails from the speed. But its barely visible

Would be a major buff for strike aircraft at all BRs too. Just need contrail system overhauled as well.

*Have tested against rafale MAWS.
It can detect the launch, but once the motor is burnt out you’re basically cooked. With AMRAAM launches in until 20km there was no MAW warning (obviously RWR went off, but for the sake of testing…) apart for the last 2-3 frames of flight when the missile is close enough that the pilot probably had a better shot at detecting it.

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I don’t think you need 4x the number of chaff. I think this is just a misunderstanding of how chaff works in practice based on datamine. Every missile in game can be readily defeated by vertical notching and periodic chaff use.

The only plane that ends up being problematic in a close range notching contest is the Rafale due to new HOBS capability and the MICA having a smaller notch gate + higher closure.

From personal experience. Defeating an SARH or ARH missile in the Tornado Gr4 with its large calibre chaff is trivial and in the Tornado F3 with mostly BOL its practically impossible half the time.

Size does matter. And if it doesnt as you claim, then there is no reason not to restore BOL chaff to its IRL performance.

In my personal experience, large calibre flares in provide a big advantage over small calibre flares, but large calibre chaff does not provide a big advantage over small calibre chaff, you can still chaff away missiles using around 1-4 chaff usually. But the advantage of small calibre cms is that you can spam them, more so important for small calibre flares as that makes locking on basically impossible for seeker shut off seeker heads, and until close range makes it hard for gate width missiles to lock (at which point gate width irccm missiles simply don’t care about small calibre cms, they don’t heat up fast enough to decoy), I forgot exactly when they added this mechanic but “rise time” really cooked bol flares for super close ranges

I’m not actually sure, is the radar supposed to be able to slave the camera of the eurofighter? Ik rafale has this feature, but for eurofighter it does not work

Yes, it should.

Both the PIRATE camera should cue to the IRST lock and the TPod/PIRATE camera should cue to the GMTI of the radar lock. (probably also A2A locks too) but nope. It doesnt. Its another one of those nerfs for the EFT

F-2A has it functional too

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Funny how people still dont know how shockingly bad bol is still.

Yeah… or that they look just at the Gripen and Typhoon and go “its fine” and forget the Harriers, Viggens and Tornados exist

When you use up the initial amount of large countermeasures on the tornado you really feel it. Had r60 ignore my flares before, had to turn off re heat and loop just to get it off my ass.

Bad bol + how hot harriers are means that you just cant escape some IR missiles even in perfect positioning

Yeah. Tornado Gr4 vs Tornado F3 is night and day defending against any SARH/ARH threat.

well we were planning to test the bomb tossing anyway, might as well try the radar notch

Yeah, we can.