Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

Yeah… I need to…

But Im also just not playing SB at the moment.

No new maps
No PvE updates
etc etc

Im just burnt out playing SB no matter the aircraft. To be honest. Im barely playing WT at all.

they just need to make entire europe as map…

Im still mad they shrunk the Falklands map so much. That would have been the perfect SB map.

for some reason they chose to downsize it… it could have been not that bad if it was at least 1:1 of it’s IRL counterpart

Yeah. and it would have been the appropriate size for half interesting combat in things like the Typhoon. 130x130 is still way too small,

I’m all for the AIM 120C buffs. It’s criminally underwhelming rn, and BOL Overhaul (but also making flares more realistic in general with spectral flares and other stuff).
While Cockpit overall would be a very nice to have, I don’t see how that would make a difference. The rafale for example has about as many issues, but aside from Sim this is mostly unimportant.

ASRAAM/IRIS-T (and all competitors for other countries) will be the best bet to compete against the MICA EM dominance in short to medium range. But all aircrafts over say 13.3 should receive their equivalents (python 5, aim9x…)

I’m not sure Brimstone 2 would bring any form of parity however. I would say that ASRAAM are closer in performance to high end mavericks than say KH38MT from my experience, being slower but with better PK. (When KH has both speed and explosive mass advantage)
Brimstone 2 on the other end could end up either completely broken with LOBL FnF (By the sheer number of them), or completely disappointing with LOAL because of lack of IFF (they would hit basically as many allies and dead vehicles as allies) and their smaller warhead. I don’t think their LOAL mode is a good fit for the war thunder META
I personally think SPICE would be a better armement to compete in the current environment, since they are more limited in number but come wIth equivalent if not better seekerheads compared to the AASM

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anyway i wish they made full europe map, maybe even with turkey and caucasus

It is mostly from an SB point of view. things like the lack of DL IFF is quite a major “nerf” for the aircraft and we have a lot of issues regarding things like the EEGS.

Obviously. Though the relative difference between Gen 5 IRs would be much smaller than the current difference betwene aircraft with HOBS and those without.

I wasnt specifically talking about MMW. Brimstone 2, 3 and Spear-3s could all have the identical SAL we already have on the Brimstone 1. Its one thing to nerf the Brimstone by removing the FnF (though imo, things like the “IFF issues” are totally exeragerated and there is a LOBL mode for the Brimstone as well… so…) but its another to give the Typhoon Brimstone 1s with an effective range of about 15km instead of the Brimstone 2 it actually used, limited to SAL, which would at least have decent speed and range to compensate for the fact its SAL only.

Throw in some GPS or GPS+SAL Spear-3s and we’d actually have a usable and comprable loadout to other top tier aircraft.

Yeah, its needed. the GBU-62s we got were such a joke. Talk about Gaijin throwing the smallest possible bone they could come up with for the Typhoon

Yeah… Though I dont think we’ll ever see it. Though if they did, it would probably still be a 130x130 map.

On the other hand the rafale is missing radar indicators on its HMD which is also pretty detrimental in my opinion
Edit : it’s also missing EEGS iirc

Also, I wanted say SPEAR not SPICE when I compared them to the AASM.
I always confuse the 2 of them. SPICE is more of a LJDAM. SPEAR would bring some rocket powered bombs which can also be carried on tri rack :)

Funnily enough the rafale might also end up carrying them, in middle eastern rafales if not even on French ones (although I am sure safran is going to try to keep the monopoly of the AASM in French service)

it is not

the EF is missing EEGS

Maybe… Though you can still see the markers on the HUD and 80% of the time, this is where im looking even in the Typhoon. Yes, both needs to be fixed. But I think the IFF DL for everyone else is the bigger of the 2 buffs

Ah right. Someone did actually submit a bug report for those too

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/USQ4XFlJG6k2

Though the Spaer-3s would be comprable to GBU-39s without MMW, and not really AASM equivalents

I could have sworn I read something about the French wanting them for SEAD at some point.

It will, ASRAAM is very fast and even now it detects AIM-9M and R-27ET launches

Launches. being the important word and at what range?

Can it detect an R-27ET fired at 30km? and once the motor burns out. Does it provide any further warnings/updates?

They might have been tested (nothing official), but Safran is probably going to try to get the AASM XLR be used as a SEAD weapon instead of letting the armies buy foreign equipment. AASM XLR apparently has new dual (or triple, I don’t remember and I can’t find the picture of the model) seekerhead as well as having from 2x (high altitude) to 3x (low altitude) the range of the AASM using a pulse jet engine, so up to 160km of range.

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You can just play normally and flare it at the last opportune time. Skilled player with good muscle memory will make all possible flight course changes so that he will decoy it.

So… you get a random MAWS warning. You have no idea if its above, below or at the same alt. Or how far away it is. Or what missile it is. Only that someone somewhere has fired a missile, potentailly at you. But its fine because pilot skill?

I don’t have the exact numbers on hand. The Rafale MAW should detect departing MANPADS from above 8km (so engine heat), and can detect skin temperature from missile at more than 20km (I think the calculated speed for this temperature was like Mach 3.5-Mach 4). Since the ASRAAM is really fast, it should be pretty hot and definitely in that range.
In game, I think the *max range of the MAW is somewhat better than the DASS but a lot more inconsistent

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So, if that ever gets modeled. Maybe, though I reckon that would just result in even more random MAWS warning in a typical ARB/ASB match.

From what i’ve seen. You have to be toggling the MAWS to avoid wasting CMs, whilst the EFT can leave it on. Also the MAWS gives decent warning on where missiles are within about 10km. Which is useful for finessing notches and knowing when a missile has been defeated.

If you are skilled player, you can check your alt, enemy has smoketrails if he is above 5,5 km alt so then you check enemy alt and if it is behind you, there is good chance you will outrun it (then you can do F pole manouvers and going cold.