MICA still holds the range advantage which is something ASRAAM will lack, tho i believe both missiles do their job perfectly fine.
I dont know if Rafale’s MAW can or cant detect ASRAAM so im not gonna comment on it.
It will only detect it, if it sees the motor. In a long ranged shot, the motor will have burnt out long before being detected
I believe they are also working on more advanced MAW system on F5 models, they might fix that problem.
what does the f-5 have to do with MAWs?
AIM-9M can’t locking from more than 5 KM at front aspect is truly painful, honestly I prefer -9M over Magic due to its range, but its seeker sometimes not consistently locking is problematic.
Not gonna off-topic that far, but I think that’s why PL-8B was crazy, it’s basically AIM-9L with R-73 seeker.
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It’s python 3 with r73 seeker.
P3 is superior to 9L
I think the longest I’ve ever gotten a front aspect lock was more like 3-4km. But only if the target is on reheat. If they aren’t. I dont really consider the Aim-9M an all-aspect IR missile.
Why was bol nerfed?
And as far as the “IIR” implementation in game right now, they do pretty damn well! I’ve been dodging IRIS-T shockingly easily. Funny thing is on any seeker with tracking suspension, the actual intensity of the countermeasure stops mattering so while it’s mediocre (useless) against FOV missiles, where the large calibre flares are of much more use, you can really mess up MANPAD, IIR, and 9Ms.
It was nerfed just after th Gripen was added.
Back then, the meta was IR dogfighting and 100m MP meant you could defeat 99% of SARH by just staying low. The need to take chaff was pretty rare. This meant you had 720 flares on the Gripen C. Also back then, BOL was modeled just to be a regular CM. This meant you could just drop 1 flare every few seconds for the entire duration of the match and be completely immune to most IR Missiles. This was a problem, however should be noted, was never an issue prior to the Gripen C though with aircraft like the F3, Viggen, Gr7, F-14B, etc.
That having been said. The better solution would have been to reduce its BOL count from 4 to 2 and implement the reduced burn time (which they did also do, as BOL does have a shorter burn time than regular flares as its not a “flare”) and this would have been suffecient. Instead they reduced the luminosity of the flares by around about 50-75% and reduced the effectiveness of the chaff by 75%.
The nerf may have balanced the Gripen C a bit, but it has crippled about a dozen other aircraft.
Since then, the meta has also changed. Chaff is needed to be taken to defend against ARH missiles and MP height has been signifcantly reduced, meaning its no longer a reliable way to defend.
You can read about BOL here:
Neither does ASRAAM
But this is moot as no one flies without Radar on and in Air battles you have your name and aircraft type over your head.
Anyones whos RWR pings “Rafale” is going to know to expect a MICA shot
Me and @Beeschurger did a 1v1 in a custom battle to test out IRIS-T SLM performance once he had it unlocked, and I found Large CMs did absolutely nothing, even when pre-flaring.
you need to chaff it while it is still in DL
it will be unable to reaquire you
Hmm… WIll need to give that a try then. Though fairly certain I was dumping BOL Chaff at the same time. So maybe this is just a case of BOL Chaff being worthless
I found the large CMs alone did nearly nothing too. They clear the aircraft too quickly. I use 64/0 on large and 160/160 on BOL. Launching in bursts means that the BOL will shut off the seeker, and the large countermeasures launched away provide an alluring target. With this i can dodge IRIS-T in like 4-8 flares. Obviously I also have to manoeuvre a bit but even with the datalink still active this works semi-reliably (and if I dive to obstruct the radar it works basically every time)
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you need to notch the radar of the IRIS-T and then it should work
This is highly exaggerated. Most radar guided missiles can be decoyed with 2-3 chaff even at close ranges. Period countermeasures set to rapid interval will also defeat most IR missiles.
I think you are under-rating the 6+4 load out. It’s a very good load out if you are mainly using passive sensors and ambushing enemy players. This would be an even more potent combo in sim if IRST interface is improved or if the HMD received IFF ability like Rafale.
It is still artificially nerfed to be 75% its IRL performance. You need 4x BOL to match the performance of a single regular Chaff.
This is just stupid given how perdantic they have been regarding Brimstones being “realistically modeled”
You cannt really ambush players in RB and I’ve given up playing the Typhoon in SB because you can never find targets on the CAPTOR-M before they’ve found you with their AESA radars.
Aim-9Ms are also the most unreliable missiles in the world getting an actual lock so you can fire. Way too many times i’ve had the target well and truly in the LSZ, but nope. No lock. So couldnt fire
There is also this. IRST + Aim-9M jsut doesnt work at the moment.
Not even just for sim but for RB too with long-range IR missiles. I’m looking forward to the point where they switch the IRST interface to the same one as is found on radars because the primitive one we have currently absolutely does not do such modern systems justice. Owing to sensor fusion they’re displayed on the same displays as radar contacts in the same manner anyway.
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try it
it is alot better after the radar changes last week