They’re hated for being triangle.
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That would also be quite dangerous… If the head of the pilot is 1,50 meters above the rotation axis, a force of around 11-12 negative G would act upon it at 500 °/s. At two meters (as I don’t know the real height of the head above the rotation axis and can just assume based on images) it would even be 15-16 negative G.
For reference: The 250 °/s at 1,5 meters equal nearly exact 3 negative Gs on the head which falls in line with the maximum for other negative G maneuvers. So you can expect that even with AMK the value of 250 °/s will most likely not be exceeded and even if, not by much.
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A Eurofighter with 4,300 kg of internal fuel carrying 2 x AMRAAM, 2 x ASRAAM, and 150 rounds of cannon ammo.
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You seem surprised that an aircraft specifically and explicitly designed to be better than the Su-27 is in fact better than the Su-27?
The performance figures are given for a Eurofighter with 4,300 kg of internal fuel carrying 2 x AMRAAM, 2 x ASRAAM, and 150 rounds of cannon ammo.
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He got his physics lessons from Pravda dont’ya know. That means he’s an ExPErT!
Meanwhile on planet Earth…
@Fulcrum-E It’s okay. We don’t hold it against you or Russian aero designers personally. You’ll catch up eventually, maybe in another 20 years you’ll even work out how to make Deltas work yourselves!
Sometimes the roll rate on the Alpha and F-18 feels almost overwhelming, it’s just so damn fast.
If the Eurofighter had similar rollrate, for example, I’d have to learn how to handle the jet at high speeds again, because right now even with lower roll you can bleed speed in maneuvers very easily in mouse aim.
The Rafale on the other hand seems more stable on that, at least to me, so higher roll might be easy to adapt to.
I am talking in relation to the aircraft’s actual stability, it has an AoA limiter yes. Which is somewhere between 25-32° alpha.
I would recommend getting off your high horse and having conversations with people you don’t know about…
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you dont need to bother with him
he once argued against charts out of the Mig-29 manual and said that they are wrong
then crashed out starting insulting ppl and got forum banned for a few months
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Addition to that: If the outermost weapon station (for the IRIS-T/AIM-9) is around 4,5 meters off the rotation axis, at 250°/s it would experience an outward g-force of ~8,75 g, so an IRIS-T would push outwards with 88 * 8,75 = 770 kg. At 500°/s it would be ~35 g, meaning the missile would push outwards with 88 * 35 = 3080 kg. At this point I’m starting to believe that the rollrate of the EF isn’t really limited physically (when no or minimal weaponry is used) but rather by the Fly-by-Wire software. Physically I think it could rotate so fast, that some parts would disintegrate or rip-off.
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iirc we are missing roll buildup in wt
so basically you wont instantly hit your max roll rate but only after 2 or 3 aileron rolls
We’re missing many things in a game which prides itself as a “realistic simulation” lol
If I recall roll rate in game is dialled back on a few airframes to prevent players from rapid rolling and destroying the aircraft.
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let the Alpha jet and A-4 players snap their aircraft like lego :)
Which could have been addressed by not exaggerating g limits, but guess it’s too late for that now.
In the case of the Eurofighter, wasn’t the reduction of AOA pulled (march 2025) that lead to the wings not snapping anymore?
Limited rate was also a factor though yeah, I remember when you mistakenly neg G and the wings would absolutely get nuked.
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Could’ve been a number of factors but roll rate is limited for playability reasons. Typical failure was players using max pitch with roll, the higher roll rate would result in huge G’s at the wing tips and queue the reddit/forum posts about wings breaking haha.
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Didn’t know Alvis had an alt.
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The document disagrees with you.
My personal experience studying / working in aerospace engineering is not really relevant here, if for no other reason than I have no way to prove it without doxing myself. What is relevant is that I’ve been to the National Archives plenty of times and read thousands of pages of documents on Eurofighter where it is made clear that the key design aim is to create an aircraft which outperforms the Flanker in just about every way.
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