That certainly wasn’t the case/belief at the time. It’s been argued that the AMK would be available prior to 2030 and that Eurofighter AESA would be available to some European countries prior to 2030 as well which you can see from the first slide in previous comment.
On the same note, if AMK kit report is accepted, then everything else on that 2030-2040 slide should be reported and accepted too no?
Right?
AMK is part of P4E.
P4E will be available to all nation from 2028.
P4E upgrades were always going to be a process not an instant upgrade that happened overnight. There is a timeline somewhere im trying to find and a lot of the P4E upgrades were planned in the 2030s (though current geo-politics… might accelerate the timeline on a few things a bit)
CAPTOR-E is the first and most important step and that probably wont be completed until 2030
You’ll have to ask Gunjob what he has reported internally so far. But probably already has been and has been for a while. At least where information is suffeciently available.
Then if these upgrades aren’t going to be completed and in service until probably around 2040, does it not make it that the Eurofighter-AESAs would be a nearly 2040 variant with AMK kit, compared to as it is in-game right now with just Captor-E that would make it just a ~2030 variant?
Perhaps the more informed Eurofighter enjoyers knew that the P4E upgrades were a process that takes time, but it still begs the question of where exactly the line is drawn.
The line is drawn where-ever it is needed to be for the airframe to remain competitive as the AESA Typhoon will probably be our main top tier for the long-haul, receiving constant small upgrades rather than getting new airframes like other nations. For example, France will probably instead see the addition of new Rafale variants, and have a staggered progression of new additions with various upgrades.
I imagine we’ll get to a point where they’ll opt for a new airframe, probably to include the T5 cockpit, and that airframe would probably include any and all outstanding P4E related upgrades and other upgrades such as Meteor MLU and Comet.
War Thunder doesnt use a historical matchmaker, so when an upgrade was or was not added is largely irrelevant. Otherwise where the hell is our ASRAAM and Meteor or MMW Brimstone 3s and Spear-3s.
What needs to be fixed on ALL Typhoon’s ASAP:
- BOL
- Cockpit
- Instructor (probably needs some FM work as well, especially with the rudder)
- A2A weapons fit (not talking about new weapons, but rather fixing outstanding bug reports for the Aim-9M, Aim-120 and 27mm)
- A2G Weapons fit (Brimstone)
Upgrades im specifically expecting/hoping for the AESA Typhoon in the “short”-term however is
- Litening V Targeting Pod
- CFTs
- Striker II HMD
- Brimstone 2s (probably stuck as SAL)
- Spear-3s (GNSS + SAL)
Upgrades for the AESA that I dont expect for the M-Scan if/when they come
- ASRAAM/IRIS-T
- Meteor
- Britecloud
- Better EW via upgraded DASS
- Upgraded PIRATE (not needed until IRST overhaul)
Upgrades for the AESA that can come if/when needed to maintain balance in the future
- AMK
- Expanded CM count (though could and probably should be done as part of the upgraded DASS)
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The reaction is one of balance, not timeline.
Rafale domianted. Period. For an entire year. Almost unopposed.
It. was. not. balanced.
Reducing its A2A fit from 8 MICA that it never operationally used to 6 would have gone a long way to nerfing it. Weapons fit is often used to balance vehicles, this is probably why the Harrier Gr7 still only has 4x Aim-9Ms even though its 6x Aim-9M fit was reported like 2+ years ago.
Removal of HMD would have likewise balanced the extremely powerful HOBS the Rafale has vs every other nation that did not.
(not too mention the fact that the Typhoon didnt get a half usable radar until the latter half of 2025 and its still widely considered as a difficult and unreliable radar to use)
What we had for the bulk of 2025 however is not what we have today.
Nearly Everyone has AESA and the Rafale is no longer operating within that Vacuum. The Su-30SM2 is even more OP than the Rafale ever was in HOBS. Average missile count has increased across the board. even the Typhoon went from matching the Rafales missile count to having a +2 advantage there which helps mitigate the fact that the Typhoon has notably weaker AAMs.
You are claiming a bit of a “gotcha” moment, but what we had in 2025 would have been akin to France being left with the Mirage 2K and having to fight the M-Scan Typhoon. Even though, broadly speaking, they are from the same time period given the A2A fit of the Typhoon being from the 1990s.
Most of the larger upgrades going forward for the AESA Typhoon will probably come alongside Additions for newer Rafales. So I dont really see what the problem is either. Or are French mains just salty they are no longer dominating? And do they really expect Germany, Italy and Britain to be left with one of the weakest M-Scans at top tier, just because of “historical accuracy” and expected to fight nearly every other nations with AESA, including into the 5th Gen era?
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This makes no sense at all. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Rafale at the start of 2025 absolutely domianted. That is a fact, I know French mains like to pretent it was balanced, but it was not. AESA was required for the Typhoon, CEASER would have done short-term, but ECRS was happening sooner or later. Case in point, the Rafales probably need to move up higher alongside its peers, meanwhile the M-Scan Typhoon is reasonably balanced at the moment at a lower BR than the Rafale that was added at the same time.
It is clear that the Rafale and M-Scan Typhoons were not balanced vs each other. The only people who refuse to accept that fact were the French mains claiming the Rafale was somehow weak and needed buffs.
The Typhoon does not have ANY HOBS weapons currently. HMD is entirely and completely irrelevant. yes we can now guide whilst notching, but we cannot fire whilst notching like the Su-30SM2 or Rafale. To claim otherwise just shows how unfamilar you are with the current A2A weapons fit of the Typhoon.
If you did remove HMD from the Typhoon, almost nothing would change. I barely use it outside of ASB and the symbology and functionality it provides within that gamemode.
We did… To claim otherwise is just hilarious. We still are too a degree, but the need has dropped off greatly now we have an AESA radar like the Rafale has had since day 1.
This once again demonstrates a fundemental lack of understanding regarding the advantages the Rafale had at the time, especially vs very weak M-Scans of the era, like the CAPTOR-M on release.
In a post that is basically “Rafale is suffering right now, nerf the Typhoon?” That is just hilarious.
French mains spent most of last year trying to argue that the Rafale was in need of buffs more than any other aircraft. It was actually hilarious to watch at times.
“Typhoon got Aim-120C5s this is really really unfair, please buff the MICA EM massively because how are we meant to compete against such an OP missile”
Holy moly, like seriously, do you even hear yourself right now?
You are just mad the Rafale is no longer operating in a Vacuum, Rafale CF3 is still one of the strongest aircraft in the game, even after it has been largely unchanged in 18 months and other nations are only just starting to catch-up. Several havent even gotten close yet. Meanwhile you are here, arguing that the CAPTOR-E should not have been added because “its too new”. Rafale CF3 is still stronger than the Typhoon in a lot of respects. Like seriously. What next? Only the Rafale should get Meteor because Aim-120C5 outranges the MICA EM?
What?
Macron came into this thread and basically started saying that the AMK bug report should be un-accepted or something because of a slide he entirely misread.
The report exists, it does not mean the Typhoon will get it anytime soon.
The AESA Typhoon is not guranteed to get any of the P4E upgrades beyond the ECRS anytime soon.
At the moment, Im still waiting for the Typhoon to get its UV Filter and HUD fixed. Or is that somehow unbalanced and unfair as it would match what the Rafale has had since its dev server?
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Yeah you must be right mate.
AESA EFTs are 2026+, Germany has shown their first Tranche 4 aircraft already. It’s equipped with the ECRS Mk.1 Step 0 radar, for those interested, as Germany has broken down the Mk.1 radar into Step 0, Step 1, and Step 2 variants, with Step 1 being the most significant of an upgrade as far as I’m aware.
The intention seems to be to mount ECRS Mk1 Step 0 Radars, which are largely identical with the Mk0s, but they come with overhauled electronics that allow the radar dish to be seemlessly upgraded with new TRMs, waveguide etc.
ECRS Mk1 at present is split into Step 0, 1 and 2
Step 1, ie the TRM/dish/EW upgrade is what will turn the Mk1s into what they are supposed to be
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Tbf everyone copes on this god forsaken website. He copes. Morvan copes. I cope…
We are all a bunch of players coping for our favorite aircrafts. One one side, we have people wanting the most OP Thing. On another, people want future aircraft upgrades now for their favorite aircraft, but that rule better not apply to other aircraft…
If EFT is added with all of it’s real life feature then how good would it be?
Let me paint you a picture.
- Crackle of Thunder and Lightning -
You see, every British main on this forum is the reincarnated Ghost of Biggles himself, with some Nelson and Christopher Lee thrown in for good measure. Never had we had the tools to smite the lesser mortals who frequent this game.
Occasionally, we get glimmers - the results of which traumatise those who still have Perfidious Albion living rent-free inside their heads.
HESH? What we did to everyone in a week with a realistic HESH shell was enough for Gaijin to make up any and all excuses (dodgy blog posts written by some hermit in Siberia included) to nerf it out of existence.
BOL pods being reduced by 75% effectiveness. That was because the Brits got Gripen - and we used it to great effect. Took a few weeks but the results are still with us today - probably because the Flanker Mafia still have nightmares about getting so royally buggered by a Saab that was a bit dubious in the British tech tree.
Give us TYPHOON (for ‘Eurofighter’ is all a bit foreign sounding) with it’s true potential and you shall learn the meaning of air superiority. Muhahahahaha - (laughs in British, while sipping tea).
- Full disclosure, read the above text in the voice of Alan Rickman / Charles Dance / Brain Blessed for greatest impact. -
Seriously though - it would be rather good. Not the be-all and end-all of fighter jets - but pretty solid at top tier in the absence of Tempest, et al. While I appreciate the looks and vibe of Rafale - my personal affection shall always be for a Tiffy.
Mic drop and close Thread?
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And what if they added F-35 with all of its real life features. How would Eurofighter (also with all of it’s real life features) compare to it?
What you are forgetting there is the testing/prototyping steps and uts actualy being count into service.
The AMK itself actualy exists since years already and can be instantly added as part of the IPA07 example. Gajin has shown multiple times already that the prototype dtage is enough for uts implementation.
Besides that either way most of the points of that slide are irrelevant for war thunder
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Chalk and Cheese really.
One is a 4.5th Gen Fighter with an express focus on air-to-air (obviously expanded to multi-role - but the original design and capabilities were heavily skewed towards tackling MiG-29s, Su-27s etc.).
The other is a 5th Gen Fighter that is designed to augment other aircraft working with it (like Typhoon) by being able hoover up vast amounts of information and pass it on - while being hard to see itself.
An F-35 might do it’s thing and map/plot where the reds are - allowing a Typhoon to chuck a Meteor or two, or four into the mix from over the horizon. Quite hard to defend against a threat you don’t know is there…
Like the Spotter/Sniper team concept. At least that is how some who know far better than I have told me.
(In War Thunder - on our map sizes - you’d probably be better off in a Typhoon vs F-35. Real life is somewhat more nuanced…)
Yeah, the moment he claimed the EFT was OP because it could fire an Aim-120C5 at a target that was 100° off boresight and somehow hit it, just proves he was just making stuff up