For reference, this also isn’t a capability that is unheard of, IRST21 is also capable;
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im assuming they’re using the SAL seekers?
Yeah, just standard APKWS II. Though the press release talked of the air to air version getting qualified though they could’ve meant just using the SAL version for A2A as can be seen in the video.
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firing it is one question, but providing dl updates is another.
for example, irst on su-30 can slave the seekerhead of astra, but it can’t provide dl updates
IRST by itself cant provide DL to the missile, it needs the radar/dedicated transmitter to do it.
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exactly, so i question the usefulness of it.
in WT, we had a glorious period of time where you could fire on IRST alone and it allowed for some really sneaky shots without alerting the target, reducing the time they had to react and notch.
But we are now back in the days where the radar will swap to IRST to maintain a hard lock and block you from being able to fire despite originally locking with the radar
Though I would also assume that Gaijin might use the same argument for denying PIRATE being able to fire an AMRAAM to also argue that PIRATE cant be used to fire an ASRAAM in LOAL.
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As long as a channel from radar/dedicated transmitter is used, It should be able to guide it. Considering all the merging happening inside the internals, that was discussed somewhere else, it is entierly possible EF can guide using only the PIRATE.
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yeah but atp you’re still gonna get a radar warning.
it’s like the f-14b/mig-29s guiding radar missiles through their irst (irl), all they’re doing is slaving the cw illuminator/radar beam onto the irst lock so victim is still getting a rwr warning.
so like you might as well use the radar
IRST on its own no, but from when PIRATE did let you do it, I was mostly firing within ARH seeker range anyway.
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Not exactly.
DL operates on a different channel compared to the main radar beam, and it is less powerful and coded, that is why more sophisticated RWR were needed to detect it.
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But yeah the advantage is tracking a target passively and then when you do launch an ARH, they just get missile warning, they don’t know where you are or what you are. Just there is an angry missile coming for them.
If I did have to briefly light up my radar the target would have my position and aircraft type. Increasing their situational awareness.
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Yh realise mow
Well yeah the F-35B is supposed to replace Harrier IIs with something sneaky, faster and has more payload so of course it’s not a WVR machine.
That being said I expect sloppy gen 4.5 fighter pilots to be very surprised when the F-35 pulls its nose around like a F/A-18 when the memes have told them to expect a B-52 but smaller
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Btw, idk if anyones tried using APKWS vs air targets in-game, but they are abysmally bad…
I’ve missee multiple shots against hovering helicopters from the rockets either passing over or under the target simply because its altitude changed slightly, and ended up giving up trying to use them for anti-LDIRCM heli work.
Could somebody explain to me, why the ARH missiles think it’s needed to loft even if the target is 2 km in front of the plane?
@Gunjob. Are you aware of any reports, internal or otherwise regarding the Typhoon’s Instructor being a bit… Squirrely under certain conditions. Like when at high alt or when low and slow?
If there isn’t I may begin working on a report for it, and as such, do you have any advice on how to structure said report?
At the moment, Im thinking about comparing Full controls (with and without SAS damping) vs mouse control and seeing how the aircraft handles different conditions. The aircraft feels substantially more stable in Air Sim than it does in ARB
(and to anyone else, if you’ve got clips of the Typhoon just handling wierldy, please do share them, so I could add to this report if its needed)
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Low and fast too as it flies the Typhoon like a bobsled because the roll-rate is so low :D
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I might not have noticed that one actually, because im usually low and slow or high and fast, rarely am I low and fast
The F-15 behaves similar when low and fast (> Mach 1). Could also have something to do with the immense generation of lift out of nowhere at these speeds at low alt.