Should be somewhat like this per MBDA;
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Yeah, ARH missiles with GNSS tend to behave in a way that lets them break out of TRK against notching targets, so pairing them with the CAPTOR-E would probably be fantastic. (Although lately it feels like that behavior may have been nerfed, but oh well.)
If the blue line is related to the AMRAAM, and this speed performance is accurate while the seeker performance remains unchanged, then I might not even be able to regard this missile as a serious threat…
My Medium/Long range AMRAAM shots miss mostly because the time from missile Pitbull to impact is long enough for the target to defend. If that defend time was cut in half or more? I would have alot more medium and long range kills, most of my ARH’s are notched close in.
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I really hope all of this turns out to be unnecessary worrying.
My only major concern is that they arent added when they should be and we are left to fight F-22s and Su-57s with only C5s for an unreasonable amount of time
Cant wait, need it :)
Will Make Eurofighter Typhoon Great Again
Or in short MAGA → METGA :)))))))
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Before that happens, though, the era where all your AAMs get intercepted by the F-15EX will arrive first, so don’t worry.
Yeah… unfortunately probably true.
If at least they would design it like the missile seeker wouldn’t be decoyed by chaff in a notch as long as your AESA radar keeps valid track of the target, that would be so much better… Currently every DL ARH missile goes for chaff in a notch even if your aircraft radar keeps a valid TWS track. This is especially pesky when attacking high-alt targets from below as for some reason the notch window appears to be much bigger in this scenario as enemies just have to “hint” a notch while chaffing for the missile to go for chaff no matter if at 10 km or 1 km distance…
The Meteor reaches Mach 2 after two seconds from “high subsonic speeds” (whatever that means). So the speed gain should be steeper in the beginning AFAIK.
So close to “MEGA” → Make Eurofighter Great Again
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Works too :P(and sounds better, so it will be MEGA)
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For M0.9/6KM, a 45kg, 3s burn, 250ISP motor gets you to M2.02 in 2s, i dont suspect its much larger(in terms of mass) than that.
And simply simulating the ramjet as a 3000N 80s burn giving about 900ISP, the range is pretty sturdy. And this is roughly 73km in 90s. We’ve heard its 100km in 90s which is immense…
Boost it to 1300ISP and you only get 90km in 90s… and thats reaching peaks of around M5.3…
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I think that’s too much as the booster is integrated into the combustion chamber as a nozzleless booster. I would say the weight is 30 kg at max and you also have to take the much cleaner airframe of the Meteor into account (no canards for example), so drag is much lower especially at high speeds/supersonic.
Yep, so your simulation is 35 seconds too slow and it didn’t even reach 100 km :D
Still has to take the much lower drag of the Meteor into account. Then you can go with much lower ISP and don’t overstep the Mach 5 limit.
I actually expect the ramjet to pose pretty significant drag, it also has static intakes, i gave it a cX of something like 3.4 for this.
Not sure about that, thats what IRIS-T has and meteor is a substantially larger missile in all dimensions.
Yes, but the IRIS-T booster doesn’t just burn for two seconds I assume ^^
I expect this is a limitation of the modelling, most likely it would burn harder when switching from booster to ramjet to quickly get up to “cruise” speed. This would probably close the gap from 90km to 100km.
Indeed, we also dont know if meteor only boosts for 2s, although the comment is M2+ in 2s… it may burn for longer
Just from a calculation standpoint:
- At Mach 3 you get roughly 90 km in 90 seconds
- At Mach 4 you get 90 km in 65 seconds
So if the missile cruises at Mach 4 (max speed is stated to exceed Mach 4 by quite a good margin) it has around 25 seconds and 10 km distance to accelerate to Mach 4. 10 km in 25 seconds is just 400 m/s at average so I assume the cruise speed of the missile is just around Mach 3-4 so its range should be even greater than the 100 km it is stated to reach after 90 seconds. So I assume it still has much of its energy and speed even after reaching 100 km.
If it reaches Mach 2 already two seconds after launch, you can safely assume the missiles cruise speed is much closer to Mach 3 than to Mach 4 during this “90 seconds to 100 km” flight. Or it accelerates really slowly during this whole flight, keeping its engine burning for a long time at maximum efficiency while reaching its topspeed only at the end.
Looks a lot longer than 2s xD, but tbh I might be getting old but I could swear there’s a slight delay in between initial rocket booster (which looks to be around 2 seconds, 2.3-2.40 maybe?) → ramjet starting to work, based on the (reduced!) smoke trail.
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