Today I had such a strange bug, I went to launch a 9M at an enemy, but for some reason launched a 120B at an ally, where my radar wasn’t even looking. Thank god it didn’t hit…
Okay, its official, the game is having a complete nervous breakdown :D
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And i didn’t even notice at the time, I just thought it was another one of those 9Ms that goes to the moon. Only saw it when I went to the replay for something else haha
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Lucky spot then :D
its gaijin simulating the advanced weapons computers gaining sentience
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Haha, either that or theyve secretly added EW
That’s not how MAWs works. If you want accurate countermeasure drops, use your hands, eyes, and ears.
i’m about 98% certain that correctly identifying a threat is PRECISELY something DASS is capable of.
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Id not be surprised if it could tell you what missile it was (at least for ARH missiles). If im not mistaken, The Tornados RWR could recognise some ARH missiles.
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I wouldn’t entirely be surprised if identifying the missile was part of the reason they picked such absurdly high frequency sensors…
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It very possibly could have been
I have the opposite sometimes: You have a solid radar lock, a solid ARH lock but you can’t fire your missile no matter what you do or press. You have to relock everything to be able to fire the missile.
I wouldn’t say the usage of high frequency was to discriminate the missiles but rather to get a better resolution at distance as missiles have a very low RCS of <0,04 m². Additionally the higher the frequency the higher the antenna gain, so you can use smaller antennas, which is important as you don’t have as much space for MAW antennas. The “identification” is mostly via RWR + MAW comparison. MAW detects a missile, but if the RWR shows nothing it has to be IR (passive). If the RWR shows something too it has to be RF (active). If the RWR detects a missile before the MAW it can focus to detect the incoming missile earlier (if AESA radar MAW is used).
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Yeah, with basic sensor fusion with the RWR, the MAW should be able to tell that the missile position corresponds to an ARH missile, so why over complicate things.
That’s somehow typical gaijin: Simulate things where a (dirty) hack would be much better/reliable/reproducable and hack things where a simulation would be better, e.g. IR intensity by thrust instead of temperature and hostspots or the extremly ugly “center of mass” rubbish (or rather center of the object/prop in-engine).
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See I would agree as this is a logical conclusion but AMIDS is advertised to be able to handle countermeasures as a standalone system
which wouldn’t be viable if it couldn’t figure out what was coming without an RWR.
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Question here: What is defined as “complete defensive aids system”? AFAIK there is no modern military plane which comes without a RWR, but not every plane has a DAS (correct me if I’m wronge here). It could also mean that it just dispenses flare and chaff indiscriminately the moment it registers a missile, no matter if it’s IR or RF. It doesn’t state that it discriminates between threats.
Smh
DAS isnt a rwr
DAS is a system that includes the CMs MAWS and RWR
It is not the RWR itself
Like the Eurofighters DASS isn’t the RWR but the whole system
System is the very key word here
DASS on Typhoon comprises of ECM, ESM(RWR), LWR, MAW, Chaff, Flare and Towed Decoy;
In terms of avionics architecture it is a complete system, as can be seen here DASS isn’t broken up into parts when connecting to the Attack Bus;
And as a core component to the Sensor Fusion process;
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this isn’t possible if it’s indiscriminate
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Thanks for the elaboration, clears some things up :)
The question in the beginning, however, was how the MAW/DAS discriminates between different missiles (passive or active/IR or RF). AFAIK it uses the RWR (and/or LWR) and if that data isn’t available it just dispenses any available countermeasures.
It is, as that just says “range and timing”, which are all values the radar collects for an unknown moving target. It just dispenses any countermeasures, not specific countermeasures. A discrimination isn’t neccesary for that.