Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

[Morvran]

@Patriotic_panda

correct, but the planes, are in fact, the same, which was my point, another one goes over your head,

Got a primary source stating that or is it just a “trust me bro”

@Patriotic_panda

you, LITERALLY, just said, 5 minutes ago it should ignore chaff in tank smoke, and seeing how this has gone so far, you will push for it endlessly

IRL, it would… But doesnt mean Gaijin has to model it that way. Absolutely no one has said it needs that ability.

Its not exactly the first time. Got primary docs for 9Ls being 100% resistant to flares if the target is on re-heat. They still get 1 flare defeated all the time no matter what.

@Patriotic_panda

are you missing the point intentionally? you have to be, i have mentioned it like 5 times

You have yet to give a reason why.

As I have stated, there is plenty of options for mitigation in GRB, but WT =/= GRB.

Whatever method is chosen should not impact ARB/ASB as that would suck just as much as not having them in the first place.

6x FnF Brimstone = 6x FnF AASM

9x FnF brimstones = 1.5x the SP cost of 6x FnF AASM. Etc etc etc.

As I have stated multiple times. Or are you just intentionally missing the point? You have to be, I have mentioned it like 5 times.

@Patriotic_panda

so youd be okay with france having MMW AASMs?

Sure, if they existed, first Ive ever heard about them though.

@Patriotic_panda

not wanting 18 uncounterable missiles really isnt an illogical thing

Why? In the same update they wrote a 3 paragraph long rant about why Brimstones would be too OP they added the Su-34 with 6x KH-38MTs and this was 9 months before the IRIS-T SLM finally began countering the Su-34 and later the Su-30. (and to this day, there is no evidence the KH-38MT ever existed)

Gaijin doesnt care about these kinds of things.

@Patriotic_panda

sure, go ahead, tho, something tells me youll still whine about the micas close range performance,

Of course, as we dont have our equivalent, the IRIS-T or ASRAAM

@Patriotic_panda

additionally, the 9M can already lock further than they can reach anyway, so what would even be the point

Clearly never used them. This is unture. dozens of times Ive had the target in the LSZ (let alone in range) and could not fire. Especially in front aspect where the lock range is only 3km against AB target (should be 14.45km) and good luck getting any front aspect lock against something not on AB.

@Patriotic_panda

if mockups are good enough for 18 brimstones, theyre good enough for 18 smart gliders, but i will say you did actually counter me a little congratulations

tiny plastic mockup = actual Typhoon with 18x Brimstones actually mounted onto the wings supported by docs and other information? Sure. You tell yourself that

[Dontkev-psn]

Radar:
Says Su-27 to the J-11B makes sense…

RWR: Runs them under Mig-29, oh, and the J-11B is missing

[Patriotic_panda]

@Morvran_

Got a primary source stating that or is it just a “trust me bro”

do you have any source saying the french one CANNOT take 8 micas? youre the one advocating they be removed so the burden of proof falls on you

@Morvran_

IRL, it would… But doesnt mean Gaijin has to model it that way. Absolutely no one has said it needs that ability.

youd still bug report it, rather than letting it be a gameplay balance thing, and if not you, than any one of the eurofighter fanboys will

@Morvran_

Its not exactly the first time. Got primary docs for 9Ls being 100% resistant to flares if the target is on re-heat. They still get 1 flare defeated all the time no matter what.

and theres the british trials saying the 9M is defeated by slow rise flares, so

@Morvran_

You have yet to give a reason why.

i have, if you would like to go back and read my points, youll see in plain text why having 18 fire and forget brimstones that ignore smoke, would be bad for gameplay

@Morvran_

9x FnF brimstones = 1.5x the SP cost of 6x FnF AASM. Etc etc etc.

how about we just remove brimstones entirely

@Morvran_

Sure, if they existed, first Ive ever heard about them though.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946390096997912647/1424965847427973202/Frances_New_AASM_XLR_Smart_Bomb_Doubles_the_Rafale_Fighters_Strike_Range-a6f781f4.png?ex=68e92a1c&is=68e7d89c&hm=4d67a735ccc59f21babf55f63f6e8f1d0086489ce22a93bae177628d9fbeeea3& they were shown off at the paris air show just this year, so youd be 100% okay with this with no way to decoy them

@Morvran_

Why? In the same update they wrote a 3 paragraph long rant about why Brimstones would be too OP they added the Su-34 with 6x KH-38MTs

yes, a max of 6 KH-38s, and id be okay with the 38T getting removed, but they wont so whatever

@Morvran_

Of course, as we dont have our equivalent, the IRIS-T or ASRAAM

if they were arhs then you would but no one has 5th gen IR missiles, so (tho mica IR would still beat them)

@Morvran_

Clearly never used them

i have a LOT of experience with 9Ms, maybe not as much as you, granted, but enough to know exactly what i am talking about,

@Morvran_

(should be 14.45km)

good luck hitting anything at 15km.

@Morvran_

actual Typhoon with 18x Brimstones actually mounted onto the wings

a single photograph thats not backed up by use in real life

[Dontkev-psn]

Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield

Here you gonna have a thread for all your disscussions comparing the Eurofighter and the Rafale so that their threads dont have to go off-topic every so often. So freely disscuss here if the Brimstone seeker is bad or the Rafale overperforming. have fun^^

this also exists

[MythicPi]

@Dontkev-psn

RWR: Runs them under Mig-29, oh, and the J-11B is missing

iirc the N001 the Su-27/J-11/J-11A use is basicly an upscaled N019 from the MiG-29, which is why they all come up as MiG-29 in RWR. Just something you gotta play around.

Its even worse if you use cockpit displays, since in their infinite wisdom, gaijin use different RWR threat databases for the in-game overlay and the MFD display, which is increadibly problematic, since you end up with most new aircrafts being added just showing up as a “?” in cockpit even if the RWR can ID the threat -_-

[Morvran]

@Patriotic_panda

do you have any source saying the french one CANNOT take 8 micas? youre the one advocating they be removed so the burden of proof falls on you

Proving a negative… wow. Good job there.

I guess you’ll have to provide a primary doc stating the Typhoon cannot carry 18x Brimstones.

@Patriotic_panda

youd still bug report it, rather than letting it be a gameplay balance thing, and if not you, than any one of the eurofighter fanboys will

As has been stated. Gunjob’s doc. Hes probably already provided it in his internal report/suggestion as a senior tech mod. Nothing to report.

But sure… Keep complaining.

@Patriotic_panda

and theres the british trials saying the 9M is defeated by slow rise flares, so

Yep, and? We dont have those in game yet. There is also docs for additional modes of IRCCM not modeled. But kinda a mute point. We should have ASRAAM not Aim-9Ms.

@Patriotic_panda

i have, if you would like to go back and read my points, youll see in plain text why having 18 fire and forget brimstones that ignore smoke, would be bad for gameplay

Again, please go back and re-read previous comments, you are the only one saying that we would have 18x FnF.

@Patriotic_panda

how about we just remove brimstones entirely

Sure, along with AASM. Still have yet to see a single primary doc that states they can track a moving target like they can in game.

@Patriotic_panda

if they were arhs then you would but no one has 5th gen IR missiles, so (tho mica IR would still beat them)

Kinematically, they are the same and no they wouldnt. ASRAAM beats MICA IR beyond point blank range and IRIS-T beats MICA IR at point blank range.

I know, shock horror, French weapon system isnt defacto the best.

@Patriotic_panda

i have a LOT of experience with 9Ms, maybe not as much as you, granted, but enough to know exactly what i am talking about,

Then Id suggest paying attention next time.

@Patriotic_panda

good luck hitting anything at 15km.

Never said you can. Lock range =/= kinematic range. But 6-8km in a headon, at alt… 100% possible. Maximise the advantage of the smokeless motor.

@Patriotic_panda

a single photograph thats not backed up by use in real life

and?

Like the mockups of the Rafale with 8x MICA EM.

3 wing pylons for A2G.

inner usually runs dual PW4s
middle usually runs external fuel tank
outer usually runs Brimstones.

taking both PW4s and Brimstones maximises flexibility and loadout effeciency. Especially in operations against mostly soft targets. If anything were to go hot in the east. You can bet that youd have Typhoons with 12-18x Brimstones 3s deployed

but talking to you is just talking in circles.

So if you want. try and bug report the typhoon only having 6-12x Brimstones. FnF will come sooner rather than later to the Typhoon.

[Dontkev-psn]

@MythicPi

Its even worse if you use cockpit displays, since in their infinite wisdom, gaijin use different RWR threat databases for the in-game overlay and the MFD display, which is increadibly problematic, since you end up with most new aircrafts being added just showing up as a “?” in cockpit even if the RWR can ID the threat -_-

thats how I noticed it, because something was an U on Cockpit RWR, while my Radar could ID it as Su-27

[Morvran]

I’ve blocked that guy. Clearly just trolling at this point.

Some people really dont like the idea of the Typhoon being modeled Historically accurately

[MythicPi]

Yeah, and they aint in a rush to fix it either…

[Dontkev-psn]

Tbf, the last report for the missing NCTR database update was fixed pretty fast

[Patriotic_panda]

@Morvran_

Proving a negative… wow. Good job there.

you literally told me to prove a negative first earlier lmao

@Morvran_

I guess you’ll have to provide a primary doc stating the Typhoon cannot carry 18x Brimstones.

you said there were documents to support it having 18, but wont show them

@Morvran_

But sure… Keep complaining.

you do enough senseless complaining for the both of us

@Morvran_

We dont have those in game yet.

we do lol

@Morvran_

here is also docs for additional modes of IRCCM not modeled

same with magic 2 oh well

@Morvran_

We should have ASRAAM not Aim-9Ms.

Patriotic_panda:

and we should have mica ir, not magic 2s

@Morvran_

Again, please go back and re-read previous comments, you are the only one saying that we would have 18x FnF.

youre advocating for both 18 brimstones and mmw capability, 1+1 = 2

@Morvran_

Sure, along with AASM. Still have yet to see a single primary doc that states they can track a moving target like they can in game.

documents make mention of mid course corrections for moving targets

@Morvran_

Kinematically, they are the same and no they wouldnt. ASRAAM beats MICA IR beyond point blank range and IRIS-T beats MICA IR at point blank range.

tell me, whats the suspected range of the asraam

@Morvran_

Then Id suggest paying attention next time.

i do, and havent had any issues

@Morvran_

Like the mockups of the Rafale with 8x MICA EM.

where are the mockups? all ive seen is actual flying examples

@Morvran_

FnF will come sooner rather than later to the Typhoon.

at no point have i ever argued against the typhoon ever having fire and forget missiles, ive been arguing against them getting 18 missiles with no counterplay

@Morvran_

but talking to you is just talking in circles.

youre absolutely right, but not for the reason you think

[Dontkev-psn]

My god, get your ass over there if you 2 want fight…

Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield

Here you gonna have a thread for all your disscussions comparing the Eurofighter and the Rafale so that their threads dont have to go off-topic every so often. So freely disscuss here if the Brimstone seeker is bad or the Rafale overperforming. have fun^^

[MythicPi]

NCTR or RWR? Cuz NCTR is for the radar

[Patriotic_panda]

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[Dontkev-psn]

I know, thats why I said NCTR…

[quartas121]

@Patriotic_panda

ive been arguing against them getting 18 missiles with no counterplay

why not just add the chaff smokes to everything past a certain br

[MythicPi]

Well we were talking about the in-cockpit RWR threat database, so bringing up NCTR was out of left field

[Dontkev-psn]

Not realy, the NCTR had an similar issue,>missing planes…)))))

[Patriotic_panda]

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[quartas121]

something to do with the GHz right? i kind of doubt its actually that impervious, if its true then they can just make chaff smokes cover all mmw weaponry