This has been the most obvious solution to fixing the Rafale in the first place, limiting its match impact by putting it on the lower end of missile counts at 6 along with the light fighters like F-16 and Jas-39, and limiting the off-boresight shenanigans the Rafale gets to abuse with HMD + MICA. Its also historical.
I dont think I’ve seen ppl ask for the radar to be nerfed, I have however seen a lot of people ask for other nations to get radars of similar performance.
Theres bug reports in to nerf the flight performance because it is comically overperforming
The Rafale is balanced and everyone gets to start having fun again in air battles, instead of only French mains like its been for the last 9+ months? Pretty sure this isnt a complicated thing to understand lmao
I know you people won’t be satisfied with just that. You know you won’t be satisfied with just that. It’s obvious.
None of you have answered my question. “What happens when you nerf everything the Rafale has so it performs like the original Su-27 (the one based off the T-10 prototype) flight model but has no missiles?”
Will you go after the Su-30SM next? How about the F-2?
You people don’t want that. You want anything that isn’t your favorite crushed under the sledgehammer. I’ve seen it before. Nobody really wants a balanced fight. You just want to be above everyone else, but only just enough to deny that you have an advantage, claiming that it’s fine and balanced now, don’t touch my favorite thing please.
People just want it to behave like a jet. It’s currently outperforming an aircraft with less drag, 4000kgf more thrust, and it has impossibly high STR that doesn’t at all match irl documentation (or other aircraft being too poor in that regard), it’s a total UFO for what it should be.
It’s established that the EF is underperforming in:
STR
ITR
top speed (and acceleration)
supercruise
bugs entirely aside.
It’s a canard delta with a TWR of almost 2 when clean. It should.
Agreed though.
Unfortunately this is the case for a lore accurate EF. Most countries in game lack a “true” G4++. Rafale F4 will do the same once fully capable.
Yeah, and if it happens they’ll go and say there’s no need to push the tech limit beyond this, because it’s “finally balanced now!”
Edit: also I seriously doubt the people who want these “revenge nerfs” will be satisfied with a Rafale that performs like the IRL one. They’ll go until it performs like a pale imitation of the real one.
Speaking construction-wise regarding the differences between the plane designs:
The Rafale Canards are placed mainly to improve lift, not maneuverability. The placement is similar to the Canards of the Gripen so the maneuverability should at least be similar between these two aircrafts. Placed closer and above to the wings which reduces the lever of them and therefore the force/effect they have to change the planes direction but generate vortices above the wings which increase lift. The Canards of the EF are placed way forward of the wing further away from the center of gravity, so having a much greater lever. This is the consequence of the different development targets: The Rafale was designed for short take-offs and landings (for example on carriers) which also results in a much lower stall speed (and less speed needed for takeoff) of the Rafale → 148 km/h (Rafale) vs. 203 km/h (EF). The Canards of the Eurofighter were placed to maximize maneuverability and not to increase lift.
The air-intakes of the Rafale are placed at thes sides of the fuselage and are not adjustable. The placing on the sides reduces the danger of FOD but also reduces the engine power at high angles of attack (AoA) as the airstream is obstructed while them being static means they also loose power at (especially supersonic) speeds but are cheaper maintained. The EF as them placed at the belly where the airstream is unobstructed at high AoAs and they’re also adjustable meaning it looses way less engine power than the Rafale does at high (supersonic) speeds.
The only thing offsetting the Rafales disadvantage at maneuverability is the fact that its lighter. I don’t know how much power the engines of the Rafale are loosing at high AoAs and supersonic speeds in game but it should be (much) more than the EF looses (regarding the placement of the Rafales static engine intakes). Does somebody have any ingame numbers of different maneuvers and speeds for that?
Nobody said this or suggested this and I guarantee most people, like me, are all for adding airframes like gen5 (when the game is ready!!! Rafale and EF already came in roughly a year too early.) to counter the 4++ jets. The US will struggle until F-22, for example.
There was a bug ( really need to check if its still a bug and if it is, see if there is an internal report for it) where the Typhoon would lose 25% of its thrust in a turn (which is correct) but with most aircraft, the thrust returns within a few seconds, the Typhoon was like 50+ seconds.
Wait, so the EF looses more engine thrust at higher supersonic speeds than the Rafale does (percentage-wise) judging by the lines getting closer to one another at above Mach 1? That makes zero sense…
And the EF looses thrust at Mach 1.15 already while Rafale keeps being stable until Mach 1.2 which is illogical as the EF is able adjust its intakes to offset the pressure differences at supersonic speeds which the Rafale can’t do.
You’re free to believe whatever delusion you want to believe I guess.
We did answer your question, and it wasnt this, it was:
Already covered this in the past, but I’ll repeat it for you. For the last 9 months, most other jets have been relatively well balanced, with some performing worse (F-15/18’s) and some performing better (Su-30SM/EFT). The exception being the Rafale, which performs well above every other jet. There is a bigger difference in the performance between the Rafale and the second place jet than there is between the second place jet and the last place jet.
Once again, you’re free to believe whatever delusion you want to believe I guess, but stop pretending other nations mains as bad as the french mains, its demonstrably false.
Well of course we arent. We never get good additions, and when good additions come they are horribly under-represented. I’ve been trying to get the A-200C to its proper prominence since its dev server, and since then we only got one change (that was in the files since the dev server).
When it comes to EFTs, its just a shame since an obvious cash grab with gaijin hyping them up so much and then nerfing them. And yes I (maybe others too) are salty that Rafale is getting crazy buffs, which aren’t even accurate. We just want accuracy and not bs items.
Other person said it was like a UFO, that is what I meant. EFT is a good plane for dogfighting in everything but rafale, I’m not gonna deny that. But at the same time WT isn’t about dogfighting past 10.0
