Have you ever considered to stop sucking up to france and russia? Edit: +USA
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Hmmm. Something people can agree on.
Besides your weird use of supercruise earlier, it seems this discussion has more agreement than disagreement.
War thrust should probably be used for all engines.
You forgot to include USA.
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Commendable
However, I’m already writing your funeral cause no doubt MiG or the Gaijin Mod team is playing capture the flag
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I’m going to be honest here there is a very high likelihood that this is going to be locked and removed for a while.
Let us just take a break and put down your phone’s / log off your computer.
- Please stay on topic.
- Please do not use our forum to some personal trips against other users.
- Please obey forum rules.
- Topic is re-opened.
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In short. EF talks, more EF talks, weaponry talks, insults offtopic etc, EF talks
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A little something I found in the archives: a letter that the Chairman of Ferranti sent to Defence Secretary Tom King and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher complaining about Germany’s repeated refusal to accept the ECR-90 radar for the Eurofighter, despite the other nations all agreeing that it was the only radar that met the requirements.
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And boy am I glad that we made the right decision about it.
Oh wow so if we listened to the Americans we could of ended up with F-16s.
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I can talk about my first WT Typhoon again.
I say first since I have 3 Tornadoes to get me the Typhoon when it comes within a year.
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I mean, to be entirely fair, even if APG-65 was a better radar (hint hint: it’s not) the problem isn’t so much which radar is better but the fact it becomes virtually unexportable (A reasonable number of exports have been achieved with the EF, particularly to Middle Eastern operators)
The colossal… stupidity that could’ve been to use APG-65 was fortunately unsuccessful.
Apart from anything else it incentivised the Americans to start developing their own radars, as capable as that of the Eurofighter.
Why Germany was so obsessed with putting MSD2000 or some such radar I have no idea, and god I wish I did. There seems to be no logical reason to do so.
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might be the new radar germany its developing
Hint: they took part in MSD-2000s development (via AEG)
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Forgive me, but was there not an equivalent to Ferranti in Germany that was also invested in ECR-90?
When people realize APG-65 is from the 1970s, and more recent sales is cause it’s cheap to produce having all of its R&D costs paid off.
sigh…
No one in Europe seems to understand or have understood the crime of cheaping on defence haha
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Don’t think so.
Another reason: MSD-2000 was already pre-selected by Germany due to the TKF-90 program.
Allegedly less than 15% of the radar would come from US, and APG-65GY was already produced under license in Germany - afaik US hasn’t got a veto on products that were developed from their technology, hence why AIM-9L-I(1) took over the market.
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The comment about Germany wanting to make an F-18 equivalent 20 years too late is even funnier when you consider that Germany wanted to use the F404 engines from the F-18 instead of developing the EJ200:
That comes from a letter written by Ministerial Director Wolfgang Ruppelt, Head of Armaments Department at the Federal Ministry of Defense.
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