Eurofighter documents indicate a growth potential in thrust of 30% going into the future, the public information on temp limits for the EJ200 seemed low for an engine of its’ class which could explain how they would enhance performance in the future. Looking at other nations engine growth I’d say the war setting is probably an additional 10-15% thrust over peace time limits.
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Is it confirmed that the war setting is used in game. We tried to report the Tornado missing its “combat thrust” setting but the Devs rejected the report saying they do not model engine modes which adversely affect the engine life (ignoring that’s exactly what WEP is on pretty much every WW2 aircraft in game).
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My 2 cents, could be worth giving another report right considering more planes are in game.
Yes, they confirmed that the F-15’s acceleration is in-tune with the 102% thrust rating charts, not the peace time 97% rating. Technically there is the additional “VMAX” mode for the F-15 which further increases power and performance at reduced engine life, but that mode is not intended for use for more than literally minutes at a time. I think maximum time on is 6 minutes iirc.
Do you happen to have a link to that, or remember where it was said? Would be useful for future reports.
IIRC combat thrust in the Tornado was authorised for up to 5 minutes continuous during peacetime. They increased the temperature limit even further during war
I used the 102% trim in my reports on sustained turns for the F-15, which is what they used to model the turn rates and acceleration in the game. I know this firsthand because I did the reports.
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It’s fairly common for British aircraft (I can’t speak for other nations) to have War settings quite a bit above the normal ratings. For example this is from a Harrier GR.3 document:
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kindly, that didn’t need a reply
Yes. However, the Austrian MoD defined their version of supercruise in the Eurofighter article as ‘This means that supersonic speeds can be achieved and maintained without using the afterburner’ which would simply be an amendment to prior statements as Eurofighter matured and they saw fit to declassify more.
Then the Mach 1.3 amendment was made to this same claim which would suggest the same parameters. As for Mach 1.5, considering it is achieving M1.3 at half its surface ceiling, i’d suggest it is possible at least at it’s maximum service ceiling, but not much data exists outside of that for obvious reasons.
That’s where is becomes a bit blurry. The absolute minimum would be 6 missiles, 2 IR and 4 recessed BVRAAM as this is the absolute minimum given these 6 pylons are dedicated to AAM’s. However a QRA loadout which is arguably a typical A2A loadout from 2007 included 4 recessed BVRAAM, 2 wing tanks and 4 IR’s.
Given this was the entire purpose of the Eurofighter (high speed dashes for interception with secondary multirole capability to follow), i’d confidently assert this is the one to base it off.
war was removed on production models
For Eurofighter it seems the EF T1 DA aircraft was able to supercruise 1.21 M with 2x SRAAM, 4x MRAAM, and a drop tank during the Singapore evaluation. I wonder if this was using a war time setting to increase thrust or not for ‘demonstration’ purposes. Of course, I cannot check the original source but this is the site I saw this information on.
Of course, Singapore saw all these same things and the very same arguments were made for the Eurofighter. They were promised AESA by 2010 if they had purchased it (good thing they didn’t)… instead made the right decision and bought some F-15’s until they could get the F-35’s on order.
This discussion on a forum indicates that the 4 MRAAM’s are recessed, as such only two missiles remain on the wings for Eurofighter Supercruise capability at 1.2 mach.
Clearly, that needed a reply.
Thank you, it seems to me 1.21 mach is possible with only two small missiles such as ASRAAM on the wings.
Interesting, i’m surprised and yet it makes sense.
You may need to clarify. I’m not sure what you’re saying here, I would agree that the Eurofighter did in fact demonstrate a M1.21 supercruise with 4 recessed BVRAAM’s and 2 SRAAM’s and 1 fuel tank. I am not sure why you then reduced that to just 2 missiles, that totals four six?
The Eurofighter has 4 semi-recessed hardpoints in the fuselage, and then 2 wingtip points dedicated to SRAAM’s.
Your own statement seems to conflict with your own source which states that a Developmental Airframe demonstrated supercruise with 6 missiles and a drop tank, plus flight test equipment and extra weight due to being a 2 seater. It conflicts also with 2 of my own sources and the general acceptance that a QRA loadout is standard.
I worded it specifically, there are only two missiles on the wings. The ASRAAMs. The MRAAMs are recessed on the fuselage, and it was dubious what loadout was used in the first place as there are multiple not very credible sources discussing the demonstration. Some say 4+2, others 6+2, who knows.
I’ll standby my opinion that the Eurofighter cannot properly supercruise as the Rafale can.
@Fireball_2020 @Rileyy3437 I imagine the RAF will be quick to add the war setting back if a war kicked off. When Op Granby kicked off the Tornado F.3 got a modification to increase engine temps by 24°C, then a second modification to increase engine temps by a further 24°C shortly afterwards. When there’s a war on a lot of the bureaucracy and red tape the RAF usually has to go through to get stuff cleared goes out the window (as the person writing this letter complains about).
Edit: No this isn’t classified
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This aint classfiied shit is it?
Declassified from the National Archives
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