Su 27 sim thread (now nuked). And reason you can see
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No i saw the reasons but wanted to know what he said.
Guess it doesnt matter anymore, funny…
Well, tbh im not sure what got him banned. I have not seen things attached to him but i must have missed them when i was away from forum. Thread went into a typical spiral of insults etc.
Same, tbh didnt surprised how it did end.
Okay, so now all CEO’s statements are meant to be taken at face value, yea? Sure then, KMW’s CEO once proudly proclaimed that Leopard 2 is the best MBT in the world in every category, therefore, he is right and you can’t argue otherwise.
Rheinmetall to this day claims to the leading MIC in Europe (even though BAE is much larger), as such, they are correct. Mitsubishi claimed that Type 10 is literally impenetrable no matter what you fire at it - well shucks, guess it’s the most protected MBT in the world! Step aside Abrams & Leopard 2.
SAAB claimed that Gripen is a match for a 5th gen airframe as well. Pretty sure Nii Stali also came up with a funny claim of Relikt being quite undefeatable by anything the West had ever created.
Do you not see how ridiculous that is? My point is that CEO’s (by extension the company’s) statements are by far some of the worst that a person can take to heart without even questioning themselves if it’s a PR statement or not, Dassault’s CEO is no different to KMW’s or Mitsubishi’s in this case… that statement is not supported by anything, I am not wrong or lying to myself when saying that.
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Iris-T pulling 120G :D
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there is video proof of it turning 100 G’s but not 120 G’s
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No it was more about People talking about that everything a CEO etc says is true
There is a quote in Wikipedi from Diehl BGT Defence
Diehl BGT Defence macht zur Wendigkeit der IRIS-T folgenden Obstvergleich: Wenn der Wendekreis der Sidewinder dem Durchmesser einer Wassermelone entspricht, benötigt die Wympel R-73 einen Apfel und die IRIS-T eine Pflaume.
wich would give the Iris-T 120G
I knew this was gonna be fun when I saw this after Mig left us with the Eurofighter being ‘not very good’ :
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Yeah it was to be expected
According to what metric?
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Comparable to PESA’s of the period in that it has its own distinct advantages and is the best M-Scan radar put on a fighter aircraft. Furthermore, its has a scan speed close enough to a PESA at a scan speed of 10 degrees in 30 milliseconds…
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Only in the US of which the UK actually had insight into the F-22, the same cannot be said of many of its competitors.
No.
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I have no idea where you got that from, it had LGB’s from 07, ergo- multirole. Nowadays it can carry 12 Brimstone, 1 drop tank 4 meteor and 2 ASRAAM without the use of any dual pylons which are in development.
Oh Boy!
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Singapore 2005
Typhoon hit by Singapore | News | Flight Global
Eurofighter Typhoon German Air Force – AIRPOWER24 6th – 7th Sept 24
https://www.bmlv.gv.at/truppendienst/ausgaben/artikel.php?id=752
So the Eurofighter can supercruise at Mach 1.2 at almost half its service ceiling.
So, it’s not off then. It’s right, you just don’t like it.
Of course not, only the leading edges and intakes, not like those are the areas most likely to emit a radar return from the frontal plane. Also the entire intake is composite.
Would end with, I like all eurodelta’s. Eurofighter is of course my favourite but the Rafale is growing on me.
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Somehow it only just clicked that participating in this is how we end up on a watchlist
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What was said by the CEO and what you gave as comparisons aren’t exactly 1:1. Here, the Dassault Vice CEO gave a value rather than making a comparison statement. There’s more sources and Gaijin would be the one to ultimately end up deciding what to make of it. Some of the supporting sources are that Dassault had an anechoic chamber before rest of Europe did, which was necessary to optimize the Rafale’s RCS. The US also had an anechoic chamber as well. Eurofighter consortium didn’t have an anechoic chamber until after the development of the Eurofighter in 1998.
These are just some of the 10+ sources that will be used in a report passed along to Gaijin.
Just as a sidehit. They even patented (RU2502643C9) the methods that allowed them to reduce the frontal RCS of the Su-57 to a miniscule 0.1-1 m² (lmao)
This is actually correct, atleast for midcourse. Meteor has the air intakes asymetrically mounted, meaning it needs to roll before making specific turns so it doesnt starve the engine. But its unknown if this is true in terminal or if the missile switches to skid to turn as it should have more than enough energy even without the substainer running
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Whether the comparisons I gave are or aren’t 1:1 is largely non-important, since the point is that any CEO’s or company’s statements should not be taken at face value unless they’re backed up with proof.
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That’s a fair and valid thing to say
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Oh and I already said so in the Rafale thread, but PESAs arent the great stuff everyone thinks they are. Scan speed is limited more by dwell time than anything else. Cant the Typhoons radar do something stupid like 300°/s?
On the other hand the beam steering causes growing scan losses, described as cos^1.3(angle) to cos^1.5(angle) (https://www.matec-conferences.org/articles/matecconf/pdf/2019/53/matecconf_easn2019_04001.pdf)
Assuming the better case, cos^1.3, at 45° you have 64% of the maximum power remaining, at 60° its 40%. At 70° only 25% remains, which is why ESAs are generally only stated to do between ±45° and ±60°.
Meanwhile the Eurofighter MSA maintains 100% output all the way to 70°
Between a Rafael and a Eurofighter, both armed with Meteor, guess who will win a missile joust because they can actually crank?
The Rafale because it detected the Eurofighter from nearly 2x the distance thanks to it’s own actually reduced RCS.
Arguments + backed with evidencie = death.
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