SAL Brimstones are capable of killing ground units.
“have a terrible day”
Getting emotional over this isn’t needed.
The topic is about F&F, bringing up SAL Brimstones which aren’t F&F is you attempting to change the goalpost. Lay off with the emotions, thanks.
And it also carries more (and better) A2A armament with better FM.
You can’t be the best at everything.
Can’t duck carry 12 but F-15E only has 8?
Duck has better radar too btw
This guy still doesn’t understand that Kh-38MTs are massively better than any Western IR F&F weapon courtesy of them being massive rockets that travel faster than anything we’ve seen on Western jets and thus are and still would be the best weapon system even if Typhoon got F&F.
Because they dont use them. Even in Ukraine, Su-34s and 25s havent been seen with a TGP
I mean Su-30’s not ducks or frogfoots
Topic is about EFT and it’s A2G capabilities.
SAL Brimstones are proven to be effective, they are also worse than KHs but that’s why you have 2-3x more of them.
I’m not the one wishing the person you don’t agree with a terrible day.
so taking the ground strike capabilities out of a ground strike aircraft? Its like suggesting we add B29 without bombs or F18 without any armaments.
Its more agile than shit like Tornado GR4. It has R77s which at the close range that is GRB work fine. Its got HMD with high off bore munitions in a game mode thats lacking HUD markers for enemy aircrafts unlike ARB so you can surprise people with R73s without them even knowing where you are. It has the literally most broken A2G missile (6 OF THEM) ingame and while the plane itself is lacking thermals the missile subsidises this by having good zoom and built in thermal sight with extremely high range and speed. (a maverick in comparison is as slow as a snail). It has good speed with it being just a fat flanker, something other planes that can see it in ground lack.
You disregarding all of this already tells me that either you are not good at understanding concepts or youre willing ignoring it to force a narrative.
A competent SPAA player is able to deny enemy Air in a pantsir pretty well. Obviously skill plays a big role, as most pantsir players do the cardinal sins of SPAA, stay in spawn, dont move and become dead when someone capable in a plane outplays them. These are generally the types of people that then go to forums or reddit and cry how strong the CAS is and refuse to learn or better themselves.
Yet that is how military design and development functions. Newer iterations or newer planes are better than the old one or function for a specific niche. And since gaijin has decided to label themselves as trying to be “realistic” for the most part this is the inevitable problem that is inherent in this type of game.
I too wish for BR decompression, both in ground and in air, yet gaijin has not done it in a while and at this point realistically the best we can see coming is them upping max BR from 12.7 to 13.0 as to in their own words not harm the quickness of a matchmaker finding games.
It would, especially for NATO to combat Kh38s. However where will you stop? Patriot and S400, IRIS-T SLM, SPYDER, all of these systems have ranges that far outrange the size of ground RB maps. If youve learned anything from ground RB top tier its that spawning in and being in a Pantsirs range/having a missile shot at you the second you spawn is hardly fair to the planes.
Adding better SPAAs might help or it might completely make any type of CAS unusable.
And before i hear someone say “but its ground battles not air battles mi mi mi” it isnt. Its a combined arms battle, which is why planes have been a part of the battle mode since its inception and its why warthunder strived to have battle on air, then land and sea for almost a decade
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Your topic with me has been about F&F Brimstones, so do stop trying to change that ;)
SAL Brimstones are proven to be effective, they are also worse than KHs but that’s why you have 2-3x more of them.
Short term memory?
I’m not the one wishing the person you don’t agree with a terrible day.
Yet you’re the one constantly turning to hypocrisy, double standards, and absurd ideas in order to promote your “idea” of balance and disregarding our arguments just cus they don’t fit your narrative of how Su-34 can be the only one to dunk on GRB via F&F IR rockets.
Your very first response to me was very emotion filled as well, seeing as it was a baseless accusation borne out of your anger at seeing me say something sensible and in-line.
Su-30/35 mainly used to escort Su-34s and QRF
They carry 2 ARM
R-37M
R-77
No one is getting within range to use a TGP
you might want to check the review of that movie before commenting that lol.
Su-34 can carry 6x KHs with 2x R-77s and 2x R-73s.
F-15E can carry 6x 65Ds with 8x 120Bs or 6x 120Bs + 2x AIM-9Ms.
Okay here the fact
Russian engineers skills issue that SU-34 the F-15E wannabe can’t compete with EFT irl
Yeah end of the story make excuses all you want but it the truth is SU-34 will never be on same level as EFT no matter what.
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Yeah but the 38 is better than the 65D, the Su-34 has better radar to employ missiles with better DL guidance.
so it carries 6 weaker A2G missiles with more A2A ARH missiles vs 6 very strong A2G missiles, with fewer A2A ARH missiles.
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I don’t need a review of this movie, I’ve watched it 4 times…
They would still be able to do A2G.
And it’s also higher in BR.
Bringing up Tornado seems like you don’t want to discuss EFT (and others) vs Su-34 as you know I’m right.
This isn’t an inherent problem as we have BR system in the game.
I think we will stop on nothing as people are demanding even more braindead weapons to be added with each update.
It’s neither fair for those bus-sized AAs to be locked in a postal-stamp sized maps, but here we are.
It’s better to have CAS unusable than ground units though.
Combined arms aspect is totally optional, ground units were/is/will always be a focal point.
Have you tried queueing GRB without any ground vehicle in your loadout ?
The Fullback was developed in the 80s as an answer to the F15E, then due to lack of funding and the superpower literally disspolving it took 20+ year hiatus after which it was resurrected in around 1994-95 with mass production in the 2000s.
The Strike Eagle instead fought in 3 major conflicts, its been improved upon and compared to EFT which is a highly maneuverable multirole fighter jet its like comparing Su22 to a Flanker
By every logical thinking the Fullback should be worse than the Typhoon apart from the amount of explosive shit it can bring
It can carry more of both ARHs and IRCCMs as well.
It’s FM is also better.