Where did you find the source for the fact that german eurofighters used the pirate irst in redflag 2012?
Uh? I’m pretty sure F3, at the very least, had and still has ‘superior weapons’ in the form of 9Ms as opposed to ICE’s 9Li’s.
Brimstones.
Neither should British nor Italian ones, especially cus Brimstone 1 Dual Mode was never used on a Eurofighter. UK should get their Brimstone 2s, and Germany and Italy should get Brimstone 3s (as the former acquired them, and the latter trialed them).
:P
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F3 early, the one we got in March 2023 to fight Mig-29s that had a god aweful FM for 18 months and an unusable radar for its first 3 months.
F3 Late though is the direct equal to the ICE but is 0.3 higher for unknown reasons
Given its T2 Block 10. Only Britain should have Brimstone 2s. Germany didnt fit them to T3s as far as I am aware
viggen di is not the top tier jet for sweden, it has been grippen since before the update
The f3 has far more cm (352vs90), better missiles, and is equal in terms of fm
You are right, german ef should not have the current munitions
It should carry iris-t, meteor, brimstone 3, and ljadam.
However, the brimstone 3 , meteor, and iris-t are not going to be added until all nations have a equivalent, as adding it currently would break the game.
What I want to illustrate is that it is not a gift that the german ef is getting this equipment, it is to make up that the actual equipment is too powerful to be added at the moment.
All ef can use the brimstone as far as I am aware, as they are all added capability through software.
The important part is whether the nation HAS brimstone.
The Viggen D. Not the Di the one at 11.0 was Swedens top tier jet for all of 2023 until they got the Gripen A. They were fighting Mig-29s and Mig-29Gs with the Viggen D the entire time
F3 had inferior missiles to the Mig-29, a far inferior FM (especially with the old FM)
F3 with 9Ls and Skyflash vs Mig-29G with R-73s and R-27ER was brutal
And the British one should have ASRAAM, Meteor, Spear-3 and Paveway IV. I dont see you point
Which Germany has only just purchased them, I dont think they’ve even been delivered yet.
unrealated, but f15j is missing its irst
I cant be arsed to be dragged into a “Who suffered more” argument.
But German Typhoons will not suffer due to the lack of IRST. Especially given it barely works at the moment and probably will never be modeled even half as good as it should be.
Using the fact that Germany had a minor disadvantage for the past 6 months as justification for special treatment is a non-starter. Especially given the fact that the German Typhoon has already gotten a lot of special treatment withwise of loadout.
Devs have already said that German Typhoons are not getting PIRATE, so instead of dying on that hill, perhaps instead spend your time getting other things sorted, thigns that actually matter, like a decent radar.
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Fair.
Given its T2 Block 10. Only Britain should have Brimstone 2s. Germany didnt fit them to T3s as far as I am aware
They’re giving it to all of them as part of P3E upgrade. So “current” B2 T10s will also have Brimstone 3s down the line (starting from 2026 or 2027 when deliveres will commence).
Right, as part of an upgrade that isnt in game yet, as I think that upgrade also include CAPTOR-E right?
Yes. However, T2 B10s in-game should not have Brimstones at all then, since they’ve only began intergrating them starting from B15, and all EFTs are supposed to be the same standard, so it’d have to be removed from the Brit one as well.
UK btw, also only integrated the Brimstone with the P3E:
https://www.baesystems.com/en/typhoon-p3e-air-show-displays
Phase 3 Enhancements will introduce a low collateral precision strike air-to-surface capability to Typhoon through Brimstone.
Given Brimstone 2s have been intergrated on the FGR4 since 2015, I wouldnt be surprised if the earlier variants did actually test fire them. Not saying they should be removed from any, but I think its reasonable that the T2B10 RAF Typhoons would have them as an option, if nothing else, they would be in the RAF Arsenal as they;ve been on the Tornado Gr4 far longer
As per the BAe article I’ve linked, UK got theirs via P3E, so if they are to keep Brimstones via a researchable modification, so should the German ones as for both of them, Brimstone 2/3s are a part of P3E.
Anything else would be a double standard.
Which started in 2015
And the German one started in ~2019 but it’s more gradual, expected only to finish with the delivery of Brimstone 3s in 2026/7.
So?
edit: technically speaking, E-scan could be considered a part 2 of P3E…
edit 2:
Seems like Germany contracted the P3E also in 2015:
So. Brimstone 1 should be removed from all Typhoons, Brimstone 2s added to the RAF one and Brimstone 3s added to the German Typhoon if/when they are added to the game and when there is an appropriate Typhoon variant, like a T3 Typhoon.
If Germans really want to die on the PIRATE hill, then I’ll just point out that Germany shouldnt have most of its A2G weapons it has now
Correct.
Brimstone 2s added to the RAF one and Brimstone 3s added to the German Typhoon if/when they are added to the game and when there is an appropriate Typhoon variant, like a T3 Typhoon.
Assuming Gaijin would go out of their way to model the improved motors of B2 and B3, yes, or we just give them the “P3E” as a modification (since yes, T2s are also a part of it) and change the name of Brimstone (SAL) to Brimstone 2/3 (SAL), and leave T3s for other things, like improved AMRAAMs and 5th generation IR missiles, then T4s for E-scan and Meteor.
If Germans really want to die on the PIRATE hill, then I’ll just point out that Germany shouldnt have most of its A2G weapons it has now
I haven’t even mentioned PIRATE so there’s no need for goalposting.
I just tried to use EF2000 in GRB and it is as expected. Brimstones and all other ground ordnance are not viable. Holding laster locks is just nonsense at this BR. Espcially since you have to put the forward hemisphere towards the target. You can’t bank away from SAMs when you want to hit something.
The GPS bombs are bit usuable at least vs. fixed locations, but thats not really it.
Mavericks and KH38 are 1.000.000x better than anything which requires target pods and laser locks.
(Thanks for nothing. At least decrease EF2000 BR for GRB, without F&F is just bad)
“Blocks” don’t work like that in Eurofighter. It’s notation for the production standard for hardware when an aircraft is manufactured. Aircraft from older blocks will get some hardware changes to accommodate Phase N Enhancements if they’re necessary, but they’re not changing block number when upgrades are carried out.