In-game channel losses are 5-6% and inline with documentation that indicates that the installed thrust is about that much less than the number they give for the public. How the British calculate installed vs uninstalled thrust appears to differ from the rest of the world.
Or perhaps the benefit of a doubt should be given and that European designed and built aircraft like the Tornado, Concorde and Typhoon just have less channel loss on average than American built aircraft?
Especially in the absence of any proof that Britain “calculated installed vs unistalled thrust differently to the rest of the world”
There is zero discussion of what type of materials or design for the intake could yield 1/2 the channel losses of what countries with considerably better engines a generation ahead of them can develop. It is not a talking point anywhere in this document. America was a generation ahead of the EJ200 as early as 1987 in the form of the YF120 and realized in the F-35 with the F135.
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From the same symposium where the British DRA (defense research agency) presented the EJ200 as a datapoint to compare to future engine concepts, primarily variable cycle engine types such as those tested on the YF23 and installed on the F-35;
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Any kind of potential upgrade for the EJ200 that yielded so much as 3% better performance was discussed in lengthy detail from TVC nozzles to redesigns of the compressor, material sciences for increased temperature limits, etc. No data on improving channel loss.
So when the British consistently say that they have had such high installed thrust as opposed to the “maximum rating” (never really officially labeled “uninstalled” or “static thrust” to my knowledge), I cast doubt.
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do you know why the YF120 wasnt picked? didnt it push the YF-23 to M 1.72 on supercruise while it got mach 1.5-something on the YF-119?
The YF119 was far simpler and more mature technology at the time, YF120 was not. They chose the low-risk option because the performance in the 80’s was a plane that could already supercruise well beyond what anything else in the world had to offer. The production F-22A with the matured F119 supercruises in excess of 1.7 mach and accelerates past the sound barrier without the afterburner faster than the F-15C does with it.
The F135 in the F-35 is actually not a derivative of the YF120, I was mistaken. The F136 which was not ultimately chosen was. The F135 was developed from the F119 but incorporated the same technologies such as variable bypass.
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can only imagine what couldve been with the YF120. either something crazy like mach 1.8-2 or a total reliability flop lol
Due to the 80’s technology the YF-23 demonstrator that used it had issues with throttle lag and other problems that would have been necessary to resolve. The Eurofighter boasts the ability to slam the throttle from cruise to max throttle and afterburner and back without consequences. This was not possible with the YF120 at the time due to the nature of the primitive variable bypass control.
arent they going further with that whole concept on the planned F135 upgrades? i wonder how they will deal with that
This isn’t relevant to the topic, the EJ200 has no planned upgrades that involve variable bypass. There is nothing for comparison. They will never give the Eurofighter such an upgrade, they won’t even give it Pirate or AESA with any enthusiasm or urgency.
do the PW-229 have any sort of supercruise ability compared to EJ200 though? especially on a strike eagle seeing as its the main ingame counterpart to the EFT and Rafale. Ive heard they can supercruise clean but not sure if it can do it with a small a2a loadout
Again, that isn’t relevant to the Eurofighter we will drag this thread off topic discussing the capabilities of other engines. I will respond about the F-15’s engine in the F-15 thread.
I think airframe and engine from F-16C Block 50/52 but upgraded avionics and armament like F-16C/D Block 70/72 standard
I think we can file his response under the '- ‘ThAt DoEsNT CoUnT!’ category…
Shame this bloody forum doesn’t let us ignore hidden profiles. His incessant google-posting outdated docs is getting tiresome.
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Are we still doing the channel losses thing?
Far more importantly, I think, Gaijin should be working on fixing CAPTOR. It is worse than the ICE’s radar by a mile!
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Well, tws should be fixed… Being copy paste of decade older radar is another, MASSIVE issue.
I dont even know how gaijin can come to conclusion that radar capable of revisiting targets no matter the bar, is slower than 70s apg63.
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It’s been a while since any jet gave me a huge “YOU HAVE A HUGE SKILL ISSUE” warning. Enjoying it to the fullest. Can’t quite get into BVR, because it’s boring. But with this new weird system where you can’t see anyone further than 10 km and sometimes the marker appears only after 2-3 seconds even at closer ranges - makes my previous playstyle pretty much irrelevant, but well…
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I hope Gaijin could give some clarification on their policy, but I dare not tag Smin.
By all accounts the CAPTOR M is hailed as the best mechanically scanned radar ever put on a jet.
But “The best” is not quantifiable.
But then it can be logically deduced that it must, at least, be better than the radars it was developed from, and the ones it replaced. So it should be better than Blue Vixen and the 65GY.
How much? And in what way? No one knows on here and those that do are not at liberty to share (Keep it that way!)
So theres no documentation on it, but that is what is needed for bug reports.
So what is Gaijin to do? Do they simply copy paste info from the latest developed radar we DO have information on?
In that case an extreme example would be a copy paste 65GY into the F35 because we have zero info on its actual radar.
Or does Gaijin take some liberty and make some improvements on systems we all know nothing about? If so, how do we bug report things that we feel should be adressed?
Actually, sorry @Smin1080p_WT I think I do have to ping you because I do not know how to get an answer on this policy. I do apologize
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I actually swear to god i hate the radar on this thing, you cant track anything in TWS. and if you turn hard enough your wings fall off
Wings falling off is a skill issue, the radar is an abysmal dogwater, noticed some troubles with HMD lock as well.
i had a F8U-2 moment, i had no warning and my wings just disappeared