Okay this is a new low for them lol
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Do they realise that in the EU this is a massive breach of the law and thus the moment the eurofighter is unable to achieve this, the manufacturer would have been sued to high heaven?
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They don’t. That’s the problem, they have no concept of how illegal it’d be for Eurofighter GmbH to claim that and then not deliver - after all, they (Gaijin) aren’t an EU company.
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EU: We need a jet that can do X and Y.
Eurofighter consortium: We can do X and Y.
EU: We bought your jet and it cannot do X and Y!
Eurofighter: “…”
EU: Understandable, have a nice day
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Ignoring the small matter of legality, if it transpired they claimed it could do something it couldn’t have, export orders would’ve dried up overnight.
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well tbf we have been quite leanient with our home grown defence industry.
Look at the Bullshitery airbus pulled witht the Tiger and NH90, or what KMW pulled with the Puma IFV
Bullshittery? Tiger and NH90 are perfectly capable, their maint costs are simply astronomical and thus uneconomical for most.
Puma on the other has solved all of its teething issues already and if given the same level of care as Leopard 2s, is just as reliable as they are.
its not that they are not capable platforms but more of how the industry completly scammed the german defence ministry by delivering products that are unfinished, to expensive and unreliable and violated their contractual obligations with that.
So, the German Typhoon:
- No PIRATE capability
- No smokeless Aim 9L/i-1
- About to lose Brimstones
Very fair
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Tapians were an alright heli, ours fell apart though, because we didn’t bother with software upgrades after purchase. Decent little helis. Pretty sure we’re also still happy with our tigers.
was this already confirmed?
because i think they will just go the gripen route and give all eurofighters Brimstones
“Scammed”… As far as I could follow the debate around those vehicles, it was a mixture of conflicting requirements (We want it to do everything a vehicle of that class can do and many things of other classes so put everything in there) and the change of requirements late into the development (which happens quite often sadly).
Even after the first test drive of a vehicle that fulfilled all the initial requirements, the “customer” wasn’t happy as they started to recognize that their own requirements were not what they wanted so they changed them in the initial prototype phase which made developement and purchase costs skyrocket. The final result were costly vehicles with many initial issues following the many hardware and scope changes during their development.
if youre australian then nope, youll be replacing them with more capable and cheaper AH-64Es
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we could always all go the F-15E route and just make a bunch of posts asking for them again and again
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The bug report has been “accepted” so far. I just think its funny that Germany lacking CAS, being the worst air nation in the game, has to get the worst typhoon
Of course we are. Heaven forbid we maintain our kit instead of abandoning good equipment for yank rubbish.
yes that was the development phase, im talking about the delivery and in service histroy. Serial production has been going on since 2015, since then nothing but issues and all of those produced ifvs now have to go through the S1 upgrade (which we of course have to pay for fully again and is delayed already) to not suffer the same 100% breakdown rate as they suffered in 2022
but this would now go to far of topic
