i think its going to be 8 in game just as the f15
From the recent Su-34/Patriot near miss video, even modern russian fighters dont seem to actually know when stuffs firing on them. Sounded like the ground controller/AWACS controller was the one actually giving them all the info about the situation
Where’s that from? It doesn’t really seem sure on the matter:
at least 6, if not 8, can be attacked simultaneously.
It also gives horizontal gimbal limits as +/-60°. But in fairly sure Eurofighter had +/-70° horizontal gimbal limits.
Well the over reliance on GCI for everything has always been their failing, rather than GCI enhancing SA with your RWR/LWR/Radar/IRST all adding to your SA, you get comments like this, on the subject of the SPO-15 not working well with the SLOTBACK radar;
This can be summed up as “I have claimed to speak to pilots, non of them confirmed what is in multiple documents as fact, but even if it didn’t work the RWR isn’t that important anyway and you can just turn it off” this speaks to the tactics they employ and the weight they put on RWR for SA. When RWR can massively increase your SA, detecting illumination, pings, active MAWS, Datalinks and Jamming. But this isn’t important information in their combat space.
It follows the yeeold;
“RWR works fine”
“RWR doesn’t work when not maintained”
“if it doesn’t work it doesn’t matter”
“GCI and Radar only matter”
Reads like “The Narcissist’s Prayer”
Completely wild take to me but I guess when your systems don’t work well you don’t depend on them.
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yeah i was more just saying that even modern russian stuff doesnt seem to hold up, so idk why someone would be suprised a 1980 mig-29 with SPO-15 wouldnt handle being shot at with an R-37M well…
The poor guy likely didnt even know like you mentioned, just like im not sure the Su-34 pilot would have known he was being fired on by patriot had the GCI/AWACS guy warned him
I gave the video a watch, although its possible they had the warning alarm turned down or off because I’d have expected an audible alarm for illumination from a Patriot, it does come across that the pilot didn’t know until the GCI informed him.
On the subject of over reliance on GCI this interview regarding Hungarian MIG-29’s covers the subject;
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Knowing how the radars are… it’ll go
“Radar works fine”
“Radar doesn’t work when not maintained”
“if it doesn’t work it doesn’t matter”
“GCI only matters”
And the famous boogeyman
it’s export
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Su-34 just doesn’t have RWR, on its own it can relly only on limited jammers recognition abilities.
Why Russians didnt installed RWR to Su-34?
wait, seriously? Do you have proof? Not that I dont believe, you, its just that thats just about the dumbest thing ive ever heard, which i guess is par for the course for russian designs tbf.
Its from this book
Spoiler
here the download
According to wikipedia:
Im curious about how fast the scan rate is considering what’s being said here tbh. There is substantially more detailed info on the wikipedia page than i was expecting. Its gonna be interesting digging through the sources later.
Yep
keep in mind that the current missile limit isnt the radar but the amount of missiles you can use which is 8 but 2 of those are IR so 6 MRAAMs
but there had to have been an upgrade when Meteor was added
What!? Really?
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According to the Russian classification, the Su-34 is a front-line bomber…It does not fly without the Khibiny complex and was originally designed with it, during the design process the complex could not be made integrated into the airframe…
So translation no rwr an dthe thing will realy realy suck in game becsuse of that?
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I mean it sucks irl to so no difference
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how many countermeasures does the eurofighter have? didnt find any sources
Two BOL rails so 320 small caliber countermeasures and two cobham dispensers so 32 large caliber countermeasures