Eurofighter Typhoon - Germany's Best Fighter Jet

[DevilO6]

From the report

[MythicPi]

Ty for saving me the trouble then, I was under the impression it could not do so in-game.

[Flame2512]

Those images are not much use unfortunately. As the devs point out, Brimstone uses a different guidance system in game and IRL.

Ingame the brimstone uses proportional navigation, in real life, the missile is designed to enter a steep dive immediately after launch and then cruise horizontally to the target, before diving in on terminal approach.

So the reason the missile is not angling down as much in game could be because the guidance mechanism used in game does not require it to do so. Rather than the missile not being capable of doing so.

[MythicPi]

@Flame2512

As the devs point out, Brimstone uses a different guidance system in game and IRL.

Whats the proof of that claim? I was kind of suprised they claimed the brimstone used a different controller than PID. Not necessaripy cuz they couldnt implement a different controller, but because its dubious itd be required considering the target set?

@Flame2512

in real life, the missile is designed to enter a steep dive immediately after launch and then cruise horizontally to the target, before diving in on terminal approach.

I feel like to some degree, this is just kind of like reverse lofting for a certain period of time, and could be modelled.

Its also not the only trajectory employed obviously, as we have vids of the missile lofting up for example. Im not even sure why a missile would fly down, horizontal, then down again, that sounds like a horrid use of energy…

[Flame2512]

@MythicPi

Whats the proof of that claim? I was kind of suprised they claimed the brimstone used a different controller than PID.

This is the IRL flight path. It is quite obviously a different flight path to that used in game. The devs apparently cannot model missiles having a level cruise stage.

[vizender]

@MythicPi

different controller than PID

It’s still a PID at the end of the day. But in different phases :
-dives after launch
-stabilize at an altitude of ~500m
-located target
-terminal guidance on the target.
All of these are slaved by PID guidances
Whereas in game it’s just terminal guidance towards the laser designation, using its own PID

[Flame2512]

@MythicPi

Im not even sure why a missile would fly down, horizontal, then down again, that sounds like a horrid use of energy…

Because IRL Brimstone uses a radar seeker which is used for terrain avoidance and detecting targets. But yes it is unknown if SAL mode works differently as the only declassified sources are about the radar seeker.

[MythicPi]

Would that actually apply to a SALH only Brimstone? This seems to be specifically for a LOAL MMW brimstone, seeing as it enters a search and ground tracking mode, which is likely why it needs to cruise at a designated altitude, as it needs to maximize energy management within the confines of the seekers capabilities. Theres no reason a SALH-only brimstone should use this flight path.

[Flame2512]

@MythicPi

Would that actually apply to a SALH only Brimstone? This seems to be specifically for a LOAL MMW brimstone

It may or may not use a different guidance method. However going off the paint scheme of the aircraft and missile in the video it, it appears to be come from one of the original Brimstone 1 trials. As Brimstone 1 was MMW only it will have followed the flight path in the diagram I posted.

Which gets us back to my (and I guess the dev’s) original point - the Brimstone seen in the video is using a different guidance method to the Brimstone in game.

[ron_2303]

@MythicPi

Would that actually apply to a SALH only Brimstone?

It probably should if you are launching them with iog and then it will use PID once you turn your laser on

[dotSHINI]

Seeker is not real until u have proven its functionality. Until then its a non functional mock up.

Nobody questions russia having developed IT seekers at one point but LMUR and so on dont equal the KH38MT seeker

[dedale_stargate]

@Flame2512

The devs apparently cannot model missiles having a level cruise stage.

Weird they couldn’t do it on Brimstones, AASM has a nicely modelled level flight tbh (it gets a bit ugly near the end)

[Flame2512]

I made a report that the Martel missile should climb to 2,000 ft cruising altitude after launch (kinda like Brimstone) and then stay there until terminal approach. They told me that they couldn’t make make missiles cruise at a specific altitude.

[Gunjob]

Lofting is possible, but cruising isn’t presently.

[MBDA_MICA]

That’s weird, Exocet in the files can cruise at fixed alt.

gszabi99/War-Thunder-Datamine/blob/master/aces.vromfs.bin_u/gamedata/weapons/rocketguns/fr_mm_38_exocet.blkx

Can’t they really make it dependable on lauch conditions?

[dedale_stargate]

AASM has more of a flat trajectroy than real lofting tbh

@Flame2512

I made a report that the Martel missile should climb to 2,000 ft cruising altitude after launch (kinda like Brimstone) and then stay there until terminal approach. They told me that they couldn’t make make missiles cruise at a specific altitude.

That’s weird, as @MBDA_MICA pointed out, exocet in the files can sea-skim, and it seems to tend towards a flight level (Altitude0 & Altitude1 in the file) as shown here :

War Thunder - Kings of battle DEV Server - Exocet test

Maybe the functionnality is not completely ready yet

[Gunjob]

Maybe that’s the issue, we can only have one flight regime per weapon right now. But I’m just going off what I was told. :)

[MBDA_MICA]

One more thing I would like to note. In WT KAB-50TV on Russian drone has interesting guiding. After release, it dives to the lower alt to gain speed and then levels out and cruises to target. But that one uses the known guidance laws on other weapons (apart Exocet as I sent, that one is exception to everything with its code)

[GHOST_KING5710]

@Smin1080p_WT i need answers

[Smin1080p_WT]

Afraid there is not really much new to report on. The skin is planned to be reveiwed and corrected. The variant will not change, as we have already made clear.