That can’t be possible, it lost around ~26% of its vertical scan volume. It physically cannot be exactly the same.
You cant drop the vertical scan volume from 11.4 deg down to 8.4 deg and say its barely noticeable.
Tried to get the top bar to the edge of the sweep, but the area is barely different at all. So we’ve not lost any volume to worry about.
4 bar medium;
2 bar narrow;
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2 bar wide
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Not exactly sure what your pics are supposed to be showing here since theres no before and after compairison, but unless im completely misunderstanding something, its physically impossible for the reduction in bar height to have no impact on the scan volume.
Almost all, if not all scan modes from the datamine have had their bar heights reduced by between ~25-27%. The one i know off the top of my head for example is 2.85 deg down to 2.1 deg, on the 70 deg x 4 bar scan. Without changing bar count, this should means the scanned area drops from 70x11.4deg down to 70x8.4deg, which is a significant change.
For those who might be wondering what the Rafale has btw, its 70x31deg, which it scans MUCH faster as well. The radars arent even comparable in the slightest, Rafale blows everyones radar out of the water except the Su-34’s…
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I’m showing roughly its the same area, yes I know its smaller, but it doesn’t feel at all impactful.
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Doesnt matter at all in air RB, it matters a ton in sim, which is what I play.
Its almost equivalent to losing ~26% of your eyesight and then being told its not really a big deal…
Personally, I do play in sim too, not sure if you do BVR, but it works very well in dogfights, which is pretty fun ngl, but yes, i’ve used it in BVR and it has been terrible.
Blue Vixen has a 6 bar narrow scan in the manual I could make a suggestion for that, but until the repeating bar issue is fixed that might not feel so good.
4 bar wide (140) is also possible.
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Thats a marked improvement!
That might be the only option tbh. I know the Tyhpoon has up to 8 bars irl, and can modify its bar height pretty substantially on very narrow scans but dont have a useable source for that unfortunately, so until then the Blue Vixen 6 bar narrow might be the only option.
The decrease in vertical scan area actually hits the Typhoon particularly hard imo because of the DASS display in the cockpit. One of the issues that can occur when trying to aquire a target thats already locking you is either getting the azimuth or elevation of your radar wrong long enough for you not to be able to retaliate. Digital RWR’s help a lot with nose pointing for azimuth, but the Thypoons DASS display actually allows you to ALWAYS get the azimuth right, even on a very narrow scan, which means the only issue you can have with trying to acquire a target thats on RWR is getting elevation wrong.
If the EFT’s had a large vertical scan volume narrow azimuth mode, theyd be able to mitigate this much better, but atm the 70x11.4 deg was the highest vertical scan volume BVR mode for the radar iirc, so it dropping to 70x8.4 deg stings.
Like I said tho, I rather a functional radar that scans less than an unreliable one that scans more, so ill take this whole change as a win for the time being.
Hopefully, I can’t wait to see a perfect Catcher M (I made a vow that I would only play EF2000 the moment the Catcher M was restored.)
Any idea when this update is due?
No idea sorry.
Ok looked like a nerf by just looking at the range numbers, but thanks for the clarification.
Reported it;
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Issue
Presently Blue Vixen, PS-05A and CAPTOR-M share the same scan patterns, it has been raise with me by Air Simulator Battles players that scan patterns with more bars and thus more elevation are an advantage.
Our current options on the radars mentioned previously are;
- 70+/- Full Scan - 2 Bar
- 30+/- Wide Scan - 4 Bar
- 10+/- Narrow Scan - 2 Bar
Additional options could be;
- 70+/- Full Scan - 4 Bar
- 30+/- Wide Scan - 2 Bar
- 10+/- Narrow Scan - 6 Bar
- 10+/- Narrow Scan - 4 Bar
Affected Radars
- uk_ferranti_blue_vixen
- uk_captor_m_pirate
- uk_captor_m
- sw_ps_05a
Additional Information
Sea Harrier FA.2 Manual;
2B and 4B are available in any azimuth coverage, with 6B only being available in Narrow Scan (NS, +/-10 Degrees)
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is there any date that is public, when the update drops?
IRIS-T end of 2025
Let hope it get better in the few days
Much appreciated!
I think more summer update like the fox 3s.