Eurofighter Typhoon - Germany's Best Fighter Jet

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5727

Priority mode might make it keep targets properly updated better, i think thats what most ppl dont like about it, but seeing as I play sim, priority mode isnt the knly issue, and now that i mathed it out, i actually just dont want to play the EFT anymore.

The EFT and Su-27SM’s radars look to be extremely similar in volumetric scan rate, and the Su-27SM’s radar is a nightmare to use. Not only because it doesnt stick on targets properly, but also because it takes 74 years to find a target while they already have you locked and possibly have a missile in the air.

Less of a problem on the Su-27SM, since its missiles pull hard in offbore shots and as such it wants to pull ppl into WVR, but the Typhoon has bad missiles for close range/off-bore shots, and a bad radar for BVR.

I think I just ruined the Typhoon for myself and I havent even played it yet ffs…

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5728

So its 8.6 seconds to refresh top bar… when its currently set to keep track for 8 seconds.

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5729

Yup, can still lose a lock cuz its so dang slow lmao

5730

Might be fixed going from 60 to 70°/ sec. But I still feel thats a tad low. But not a lot we can do about that

5731

wait… no, first repeated scan of top bar is after 7.71 seconds. Which i dont think is enough given 8 sec fade time…
If it wasnt for that stupid bug. We would have refresh rate of 3.4-4.2 seconds on top bar, depoending where is enemy on that bar.

5732

dang, i calculated with 70… its even worse jesus. So with 60°/s scan rate
First full refresh of top bar is 9!!! 9!!! seconds, while its storing data for 8. No wonder it loves to drop stuff. When it cant even finish it in time.

5733

I dont get why you guys are eyballing things.

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5734

New ones are but 1st generation AESA radars were reported to be inferior in some ways to the CAPTUR-M

5735

And where can i find speed of dish in it?

5736

You have to do some calculations with period
Period of 1 means it does one cycle 1 time per second. The bigger the slower. For example:
Period of 1,5 means that it does 0,6 of the cycle per second, or that it does 40 cycles per minute.

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5737

Like what? Range? AWG-9 has greater range than the Su-34 PESA but which is the better radar in every other way?

5738

Can we pls still keep the L/I-1?
like make it an Aim-9M Modification which gaves you the 9M and the 9L/I-1 so the player can chose what the he wants to use
Smoky sidewinder → 9L/I-1
No smoke → 9M

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5739

I wasnt sure if the period was 1 bar or what, none of the calcs i tried seemed to spit out the correct scan rate Flame was mentionning, so i just eyeballed it a bit.

In hindsight i only looked at the datamines when i woke up, so might not have been thinking straight.

Ill compare a few later unless someone beats me to it.

5740

What is one cycle… is it whole scan from top to down, is it bar. What is it.

5741

Whole, let’s say that the search has 4 bars, then it is the whole 1-2-3-4

5743

Awesome. So now that y’all have found it to be non-smokeless, why do we still see smoke coming out of the Eurofighter? Here is the bug report, I would hope that this will be fixed as expeditiously as y’all have “fixed” the non-smokeless L/I-1.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ofvf4zvUTsAn

5744

imo its fine that they remove the smokeless engine… IF would they buff the IRCCM at the same time

iirc 9L/i uses track suspension while the 9L/i-1 uses gate width

5745

I always thought that the period is the amount of time in seconds taken to do a complete scan. Granted it’s been a while since I poked around in the radar files, but I’m sure that’s how it used to be.

5746

Because these are two separate issues? Im not sure why you think a fix to a missile would somehow change the exhaust of an aircraft.

5747

i am thinking, that since there was a mountain of evidence for this missile being smokeless, and that it was fixed incredibly fast. 9L/I-1 was introduced on the dev server (what like a week ago…?)

A report made about the same time, with arguably an even bigger “bug”, with 41 “Same Issue” gets Accepted, and then nothing from it?
Smokless engine for the brand-new plane seems like it should be on the top priority list, no?

How important to the devs was the 9L/I-1 being smokless or not? To the players, it seems that this was made TOP priority, seeing how incredibly fast y’all fixed it. Was there a bug report on it? Did y’all find some document somewhere and decide to use it? Did a player find and submit it?