the f-4f ice still we be one of the worst fox 3 carriers. The Airframe just is completly outdated at this point and the f18 radar realy wont help it all to much once the match goes into the furball like always. I imagine it still will be br wise lower then other fox 3 carriers with superior airframe like f16,f15, mig variants etc, which will be useless since everything gets sucked into top tier
ARHs are the great equalizer.
No, F-4F ICE can’t dogfight a Typhoon, and it doesn’t have to.
Just as people learned to do stand-off with GBUs and AGMs, they’ll learn to standoff with ARHs as well.
It’ll still be a ~12.3 aircraft. People forget how powerful the EJ Kai is at 11.7 with “just” 9Ls and 7Fs.
same thing with the tornado advs, the f4f ice, comes to late into the game were it is only sup optimal while everyone else gets way superior equipment. I mean the Barak 2 didnt use sparrows either, could have given the f4f ice around this time already and just give it access to aim 9l / 9L/i and some sparrows until the fox 3 missles come to the game. Like this at least the ICE would have been able to be at least a bit more competitive
Dude, it’s physically impossible for F-4F ICE to be late. It’s the only ARH carrier Germany has before Typhoons at 13.0+, and will have on-par armament.
F-4F ICE cannot use Sparrows, not listed in manual, and it’d be less competitive.
possible additions of other nations are always a possible solution, polish, netherland f16 or one of the plenty tested /evaluated vehicles that have the same basis as the japanis f16, / even have more ground then it since they actualy were flewn 1. F-15B [Evaluated in 1982 by WTD 61]
2. F-15E [Tested at the ILA-2018 exhibition, to replace the Tornado strike aircraft]
3. F-20A [Evaluated in 1983 by WTD 61]
4. F/A-18B [Evaluated in 1982 by WTD 61]
5. F/A-18E Super Hornet [Tested at the ILA-2018 exhibition, to replace the Tornado strike aircraft]
6. EA-18G Growler Block II [Tested at the ILA-2018 exhibition, to replace the Tornado strike aircraft]
7. F/A-18F Super Hornet Block III [Tested at the ILA-2022 exhibition]
8. F-16B Block X [Photos no] [Evaluated in 1982 by WTD 61]
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More pictures of German Typhoon with Brimstone
And one armed with the HOSBO electro-optically guided glide bomb
see my suggestion here
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The ej kai gets bodied by everything at top tier and has since the f16/mig29 dropped, just like f4f ice will get bodied.
they’re advertisement pictures abt whats has been or what can be integrated with EF(as examples). they’re not necessarily integrated and the physical ability to carry stuff is kinda useless knowledge as the mounting is standardised across NATO aircraft and weapons(MIL-STD-8591). so technically you can physically mount everything to Eurofighters.
random example: you could take a JASSM-ER and physically mount it to AHDERUs on the inner and centre pylons on the EF(weirdly enough the 1000lbs weight class goes to 1450 lbs and the 2000lbs weight class goes all the way up to 3500lbs lol)… though ig mil-std-1760 standardises the communication between aircraft and weapons as well so the only thing remaining is flight control changes, software integration and store seperation, carriage and jettison testing/certification
For France nation,… not sure other Europeans used MICA’s at all ^^"
Nr1 the table was to show the superiority of the Meteor missle which multiple european nations use
Nr2 U wanna tell me now that france isnt an european nation? U make no sense, since i spoke about them in general nobody even mentioned MICA since we blantly dont care about that missle in this thread
I mean, Gaijin was prepared to give the Italian Tornado PGM based on nothing else other than it’s proximity to it…
And there’s this, from ILA 2022
And this of course
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i get that and i’m not complaining either. gaijin will just have a hard time adhering to actual guidelines or whatever they made up because these newer jets often can just carry everything
I’m split between keeping all 3 nations on a level playing field and creating uniqueness between the 3 nations.
Dunno a fighter jet, ready to take off on the runway is a pretty strong indication that this weapon system is integrated. I can’t imagine a stronger proof (One we could realistically get).
We also see it at Typhoons with different designations and squadron markings. So its also not just one demonstrator.
I think they need to create that uniqueness with low impact weapons. Brimstone is going to be the best AGM in game. So unfair to only give it to the British Typhoons. But maybe Storm Shadow? Niche weapon system that would likely be rarely used?
Im sure both Germany and Italy have unique long range stand-off wepaons they could use
that yes, while it is proven german typhoon were equipped with storm shadow i see no need for them since we have the taurus
well you get the best tornados with brimstone access at least, and harriers, you get a lot different carriers while we would only have 1
That is true, though that is the advantage of them being British built. But yeah, I definetly think Brimstones need to be available for German and Italian Typhoons as I guess neither really has other CAS options for the next tier
well they do get laser guided bombs, not optimal but oh well. Besides that the glide Bombs HOPE/HOSBO but the effectiveness of those would be debatable
Certainly no AGM carriers, and defiently non as powerful as Brimstone. Except I guess AV-8B+ will serve italy for quite a while in their TT.
Though I do wonder how much they are going to nerf Brimstone. I doubt they’ll add the “find its own target” mechanic
most likely they will essentialy work like spikes and pars 3