For Germany only a small amount are being acquired to fulfil obligations of the NATO nuclear sharing program. EF will continue to be the mainstay fighter and in the future this will include Eurofighter EK and Tranche 5.
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german and italian acquisitions are to axe tornado or fill a role that Eurofighter was never meant for (such as carrier ops)
what britain is doing is beyond me
Can Germany or Italy sustain the programme without Britain though?
As per usual they are selling out in favour of the US. The new AH-64 are not going to have Brimstone integration they will have JAGM a new supply chain to be established for an inferior weapon system. All because Brimstone integration will take too long or cost too much.
And the UK is talking about Tempest and how they will be able to develop a Gen 6 airframe…laughable
Well there is the EF sale to Turkey now. And Germany are trying to get India to buy EF too. On top of all the current German orders for EF.
How does that work in terms of shared ownership of the programme? Do all partners receieve a percentage of sales?
I was lead to believe India rejected the Typhoon in favour of the Rafale and the US are trying to offer them the F-35
Seems Germany are trying again to get IAF to buy the Typhoon
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Production would still work as usual; each contractor would build whatever they are contracted to do
Typical budget problems. The RAF wants more planes so the MOD needs to decided whether to buy more F-35s or more Eurofighters. I’d rather they went the Eurofighter route, but I imagine hat’s a hard argument to make with the bean counters when an F-35 costs about the same, can be used on the carriers, and is stealth.
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And IIRC final assembly would probably be at Warton.
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Politics are not allowed on this forum, so I have to be careful.
But given the results of a certain recent election and the implications thereof. I suspect that Typhoon may become more favoured than it has been
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I saw a video on this topic a couple days ago
Even if the EF lacks stealth, supporting domestic defence industry is a much bigger advantage so it’s a shame Britain went this route.
That’s due to the US delaying the software and hardware updates lmao
The new AH-64Es have Brimstone already integrated, it’s a cost per missile thing (JDAM is 319k, current gen brimstone is about 3x than give or take, for context JDAM’s unit cost is about the same as a 1st gen brimstone inflation adjusted, The army doesn’t had the budget for 3000 Brimstones right now, given other procurement programmes. I wouldn’t be surprised if AAC AH-64E “borrow” RAF Brimstones when needed). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbdkLnh1kA
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Also Poland now that I remember.
They haven’t done anything yet; we’re in a middle of a defence review so nothing will happen for at least a few more months either.
So far all that has happened is some bloke at the RAF was interviewed and suggested that if they were going to be given money to buy more aircraft he’d lean towards the F-35 based on their current needs.
The UK has a lot more Typhoons than we do F-35s (I’d argue we don’t have enough of either), and only the F-35 is carrier capable so I can see the arguments in it’s favour.
Also Tempest is supposed to replace the Eurofighter and enter service in 2035. So that is probably factoring in to things.
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I think it’s more a Tempest thing, That’s supposed to be flying by the end of the decade, and IOC by 2035, “current” (i.e. the last public announcements) RAF plans have Eurofighter out of service by 2040, and F-35 doesn’t currently have an out of service date. Makes more sense when you look at it like that. Thought with all the issues with Lockheed-martin the last couple of years I wouldn’t be surprised if that changes (especially with recent global political uh events).
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yeah JAGM is 336k for 2024 while Germany recently ordered brimstones at about 1 mln a piece.
they’re not the exact same thing though, brimstone has much better range.
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oh of course, but the for the same money they can have an extra 2000 missiles for the fleet, and the option of a Brimstone order is always there for the future if needed.
Ah my bad I was working off the UK’s USD 957.4 million order for 3000, that puts the cost per unit at around ~319k for that order
It’s not political to discuss procurement and multi-national defense contracts lol
Thats what I thought would happen they would share the ordinance but someone said AH-64E wont be configured for Brimstone? I’m sure in the future it will all come clear