“They just went in and modified it to make… an entirely new model.”
Yes, a new model, irrelevant of where it started.
Why is this being discussed again?
Typhoon is a production vehicle, it’s not a Ho 229 or Arado 234 C-3 [which started the treatment that Yak-141 got many years later].
Thrust vectoring engines are more mass than help, especially for the delta canard design.
Oh, and EJ-200s aren’t a plane… shouldn’t need to be said.
Ho 229 and EJ-200 are not the same class of asset.
Identical standards.*
Prove that DA1 was an unfinished prototype like Ho 229 or Arado 234 C-3.
that it kinda was, from my knowledge it never received countermeasures, radar is iffy and IRST is certainly not a production model.
Would have said that it also didnt had a gun, but then remembered the Brits wanting to fly their Typhoons without guns, but didnt in the end because it needed a counterweight and the best one available was the gun itself
Those components should totally receive the same treatment that Ho 229 and Yak 141 did before if/when the DAs get added. The TVC engines are somewhat fantasy in comparison
Then no reason to add it when we can just get Tranche 1 and have a complete aircraft that dogfights just as well.
As cool as TVC sounds, its weight increase usually causes the aircraft to dogfight worse.
Tranche 1/2 can be added at any time now to begin with.
I stopped entertaining the prototypes as an idea in my own arguments when the gen 4.5 BVR American aircraft got added: F-15C MSIP II.
Typhoon adds to that dogfight capability which in the current WT meta isn’t as helpful anymore.
Otherwise Gripen and F-16A would be the best of their BRs right now.
No because of the X-31 :-) Who ever says that TVC is more weight then help is not undertsanding the EF2000, trust to weight and what TVC adds to it. Mhh one could do literal circels in one point without falling out of the sky.
X-31 prototyped and tested a different TVC yes and was going to test the EJ 200 TVC also, but that does not mean only Germany should get it. If for example the TVC is solely developed by Germany, or MTU then i understand but to my understanding it is done by Eurojet between MTU (owned by RR lol) and ITP (also owned by RR lol) and Rolls-Royce for integration aides (Rolls Royce casually joining a consortium and then buying out every member of said consortium)
If im missing something id be curious to know. (Just looking for information here not to debate for or against who gets it).
A slightly “inventive” “tranche 5” Eurofighter for all nations ingame with PIRATE, ECRS MK.2, AMK, LWS etc using “F-5C logic” would be exceptionally cool.
i can finally yap again
anyways
the EJ200 is not a purely RR engine. this is the split:
MTU(Germany): Low&High pressure Compressor, Digital Control System
RR(UK): Inter Duct casing, Combustor, High pressure turbine
Fiat-Avio(Italy): Low pressure turbine, Afterburner, Gearbox(generator)
Sener/ITP(Spain): Nozzle, external Dressing.
So nozzle stuff is ITP’s involvement and they developed the TVC nozzle hardware with the help of MTU who did the control system again. Other companies did provide support but there was a special agreement between ITP and MTU for this development.
Anyways, there isnt really a point to TVC on Eurofighter without AMK as the old flight limits still mostly apply. yeah it provides some 2% more thrust on takeoff and 7% more during supercruise due to better nozzle control but meh. I’d rather get an AMK Eurofighter than a TVC one without AMK. if gaijin wants to add engine improvements they can just add the 15% extra thrust that can be provided through small changes to the engine because the design called for that 15% growth potential
Yeah definitely not a purely RR engine all partners played a part. I always find it interesting why all of the companies are GmbH… like why?
I do wonder how much the original RR engine was improved though as the XG40 produced 95kn and the EJ200 produces similar but higher with WAR power (which by the way we should absolutely get if the MIG-21 BIS gets it).
Intereresting about the ITP x MTU agreement though im 100% sure i read researching it that rolls royce was brought on for consultation on integration into the engine and ended up aiding ITP in making the nozzle, eventually I’ll find and bookmark it again.
But yeah AMK will be the one to go for.
Interestingly i discovered that RAF, and Aeronautica Militare pilots also flew the Eurofighter equipped with AMK kit so theres hope for the UK and Italy too.