The two are not connected.
Who cares, do it
I just wanted my CFTs man
It is annoying that with the AESA-Phoons they didnt add CFTs, Litening V, Striker II, etc, Things that wouldnt affect balance but make the new EFTs a little more distinct
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Hey Smin, does this thought also apply to the SM2 IRBIS/AL-41 combo since it yet needs to be proved operational?
Apologise for the off-topic question.
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Operational is not the requirement, we have quite a lot already that is not across the game. As long as it is a modification / technical compatibility as per normal, it can be considered. As far as I’m aware, that’s the case for both items on the SM2 which are upgrades available for it.
Same with SPICE on the EFTs.
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Understood, thanks.
So if all of them are Frankenfighters anyway whats the reasoning behind germany not getting access to the ECRS Mk2 despite technical compatibility?
Germany and Spain has selected ECRS Mk 1 as their radar set. Britain and Italy the ECRS Mk 2.
These are the defining radars each nation has chosen.
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I get that. But so far neither the UK nor Italy have “chosen” the AMK and no EFT operator has chosen the SPICEs for service. And Germany hasnt chose the PIRATE for their in service EFTs either.
So that
is not entirely consistent?
But Germany has made a choice for its Radar set, as have Spain. ECRS Mk 1 is being developed by Hensoldt (Germany) and Indra (Spain) and is the key defining feature of Spanish and German Eurofighters.
PIRATE is open to all EFTs and is an option.
AMK is not in service with anyone yet and at a much earlier stage. Other nations have also not chosen an alterative or ruled it out.
Similarly with SPICE, no nation has taken it up yet.
It is indeed. Except when a nation has chosen one radar set over another.
ECRS Mk 2 is spesific to British and Italian Eurofighters through Leonardo UK and BAE systems.
Just to be pedantic here. Theoretically Germany and Spain have not ruled out switching to ECRS Mk2 in the future. So applying the SPICE, PIRATE, AMK logic here there is no reason to not add it to an EFT that does explicitly not represent an operational airframe.
Feels very much like the rule is consistent until its not.
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Talking about SPICE: Any chance for the EFT to get its additional eight SPICE for 16 overall?
They’re pretty fun after not having any (or more than two) FnF weaponry, but their explosive energy is rather lackluster, so more of them would be a good compromise.
If information comes to light that Germany is considering ECRS Mk 2 or its relevant upgrades, then that’s something that can be still considered as and when that happens. As of right now Germany (and Spain) have chosen to pursue ECRS Mk 1 and are continuing to develop that platform whilst ECRS Mk 2, a separate development, goes in a different direction.
Whilst they do not represent operational airframes, all of the features they have are options that are open to those nations platforms. In the current case, Germany has no interest in ECRS Mk 2 and is proceeding with ECRS Mk 1
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Ok but neither the UK nor Italy are considering SPICE and its still unclear afaik whether Germany is considering PIRATE for the new airframes. So why is a radar being treated differently?
And if I have you on the line here already: Any chance to bump this report? Just a cosmetic thing about the SMART bomb racks of the SPICE, but it just looks stupid as it floats under the pylon instead of being fully connected (connector hinges are visible) ^^
Nobody has SPICE currently. It was simply shown off at shows.
Some German airframes already have it, and future proposals, tranches and upgrades have been shown with it, so it very much remains an option.
Because Germany has made a choice. That being ECRS Mk 1. The choice is 1 or 2. Germany and Spain have gone with 1, Britain and Italy 2. Both are being developed separately for the needs of each nation in that development group.
Germany chose the Mk 1. If they decide later to select the Mk 2, then as mentioned already, thats open to consideration. Right now. ECRS Mk 1 has been chosen and is already proceeding.
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Youre not answering the question. None of the operators chose SPICE but it remains an option. Only Germany has chosen AMK but it remains an option for the others. PIRATE remains an option. Germany and Spain have chosen the ECRS Mk1 now but the Mk2 still remains an option since they didnt specifically rule it out exactly as all the other things. Its extremely selective that the current state of procurement only matters for one of these.
Respectfully, I have answered you several times. However I will cover it again for a final time to conclude this here.
ECRS Mk 2 is currently not an option for Germany, because they have chosen Mk 1. Work is being completed by Hensoldt and Indra who are developing and integrating the radar onto those platforms.
Work on ECRS Mk 2 is being done by Leonardo UK and BAE systems. Currently on British Eurofighters but also in the future, Italian platforms too.
There is no current possibility of Germany having ECRS Mk 2 unless something drastic changes. The very presence of the ECRS Mk 1 program cancels out the ECRS Mk 2 being an option. That is the choice that has been made and the way each radar set is being developed and progressed with each respective member nation currently.
Again, as I will mention yet again, if something changes in the future where Germany deselects ECRS Mk 1 or decides to change it to the ECRS Mk 2 (or a relevant upgrade), then its open to consideration.
However as it currently stands, the ECRS Mk 1 and 2 are different radar sets being developed in different ways for each nation(s). Which is not the case for SPICE, AMK and PIRATE.
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