Magic 2 Super Etendard goes to like 11.7. Better Su-25T.
Probably not 11.7. 11.3 seems more likely. SU25T has a much more extensive armement set which explains a lot it’s BR placement. It can typically carry 2 extra r60mk on top of the r73, that are probably better than magic 2 on these types of aircraft, plus the bikers that can sometimes be used as anti air, plus the extra cannons. It does have a much worse FM, but is also more survivable and has a lot more countermeasures (SeM can Carr extra flares but loses a pylon for them).
Not saying the 25t is any good at it’s br, just that I would not be surprised it would be higher than a magic 2 SeM
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Compared to Jaguar, and the later A-10 and SU-25 as well as AMX it is clear that there are two reasonable options.
1.) Reduce Br of Super Étendard in ARB and GRB.
2.) Add Magic II and other missing weaponry.
I really do think that is all there is to say.
No.
11.3 look at Jaguar IS.
This I agree with for GRB. 10.3 or 10.7 would be far more reasonable depending exact details im not sure about.
10.3 though seems ideal for it in ARB based upon comprable airframes.
This would only punish it in ARB/ASB and do nothing to really change its fortune in GRB.
Super Etendard’s BR is 10.3 in air RB using Magic 1s.
SE is among the fastest non-reheating aircraft in the game.
A-7D is 10.3 with 9Js.
Alpha Jet TH is 10.7 with AIM-9P4s.
Su-25 is 10.3 with R-60Ms.
Nothing with agility at 10.3 have objectively superior weapons to Super Etendard.
As I said, Magic 2’s would cause it to be 11.3 - 11.7 instead of 10.3 where it is currently rather balanced.
Jaguar IS being allegedly under-BR"d is another issue. It’s also not noticeably better than Super Etendard in flight performance outside high-speed acceleration due to a worse TWR and design.
Super Etendard can have 12 minutes of fuel onboard.
A climb rate that starts at 98 meters per second and averages 92 to 5000 meters.
And at 5500 meters it will go mach 1.08.
All while having 140 countermeasures, 2 Magic 1s, and acceleration better than a Mig-21F-13.
You are not mentioning much of significance really.
At 10.3 ARB you are usually facing 10.3+ and have to rely on guns making you a easier target than you should be. Mirage is more than enough for 10.3.
At 11.3 guns would be just as useful while you could make very good use of Magic 2.
It is not only Jaguar IS that is indicative it’s also SU-25BM/T and Su-39.
You are pointing out the flight performance of Super Étendard yourself.
11.3 just like the GRB BR would hit the spot.
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If you think relying on guns matters when you have Magic 1s as well, then the SE is even stronger as it’s a rather good dogfight platform as well.
Mirage 3 climbs as well as Super Etendard, accelerates slower than Super Etendard, and dogfights worse than Super Etendard. Mirage 3 just has a higher top speed.
Super Etendard is a good 10.3 and I like it at 10.3. If I want to play 11.3 or 11.7 I’ll play a different aircraft personally.
While my personal preference differs from yours ojectively what I am suggesting is quite reasonable I think.
Regarding dogfights it really depends on speed ranges between A-10, SU-25, Étendard, Super Étendard any Hunter or any Mirage III/5 it really depends on altitude and energy state.
And do not forget that the alternative to Magic 2 is moving Super Étendard down again. Disregarding the perspective of Gaijin of course.
At 10.3 with Magic I Super Étendard is decent. At 11.3 with magic II it would be a bit of a beast without being to good compared to it’s counterparts.
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But SEM Combat Flaps still bugged tho
I agree it would be nice to have it
But in my opinion this version of the SE (no information in game but it look like a standard 4) should demain with only the Magic 1 and another version (standard 5) should be added (I may have a suggestion pending for this one).
I think that would be the wisest choice, because it would allow to keep an SE at the Br it is currently at (a little lower in tank battle would still be better) and to add one that would be slightly higher with in addition better equipment
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In SB the SE is both correct and awful. In air combat the plane fights very well and gets out of many situations (if its air-to-air Research and TWS mode were modeled it would be even better) on the other hand in ground attack it is just awful, you have 4 or 6 bombs which earn you almost nothing per vehicle destroyed, to be profitable on 1 spawn you must make at least 2 or 3 round trips to the airfield (and in addition it suffers from the fact that the HUD is a copy and paste of that of the Mirage 2000 on which the CCRP information is not indicated so all the drops must be done with a little dive)
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it doesn’t, that pylon can’t carry anything other than the countermeasures
As long as it’s Br in ground RB is reduved I would not mind that at all.^^
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Meant extra chaffs not flare, but you say the same thing as I do, it loses a pylon if you want to bring them
I wouldn’t mind having SEM STD5 at 11.7 for air-battles - there is nothing in France between 11.0 and 12.0
It would be comparable to the A-10C (sitting 11.7 with 4 [not2] AIM-9M, which are superior than Magic-2’s without HMD)
so Magic-2 and Exocet AM.39 B2 Mod2 would make it for 11.7 (worse platform than Mirage F.1’s standing 12.0)
and we could get a SEM STD3/4 at 10.0/10.3 with Magic-1 and AS.30L
then, a SEM STD2 could be integrated as a 9.7 premium (Etendard IVM<SEM STD2 < F-8E(FN)), without paveway (but Mk-82’s), Magic-1, and LCQ (5*3 flares: 3drops per clicks at rates of 1/sec) instead of Alkan LL 5081 CM Pods (much more limited CM wise, as it replaces the tail chute)
LCQ looks like:
LCQ stands for “Lance-Cartouche de Queue”
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more information on the LCQ or LCIII: (secondary)
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Hi everyone, I’m going to start a “crusade” against Gajin so that they finally give us air-to-air modes for the radar of our beloved Super Étendard. Since we don’t have the Exocets, I think the minimum would be the proper modeling of the aircraft itself, and that will start with the radar.
Currently, the Anémone radar lacks a TWS mode and a search mode with the ability to lock on to a target at 20nm, which would greatly improve the aircraft’s capabilities.
I’ll try to post all the sources I can find regarding this capability below this post. If you have other sources, please feel free to share them.
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Going to start my own crusade if the update after this shows up without exocet.
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