End of 2025, and still no chaffs when stock at top tier

[ProGod_Aris]

@hjnbnb

No it doesn’t, it works about 20% of the time and is less consistent than multipathing, chaffing does not increase your chances of dodging a missile

Completely wrong. That suggests you don’t know how to notch.

@Mach_3_Hamster

i stock grinded A LOT of toptier jets and i usually skip chaff mod unless it gatekeeps MAWs or BOL, chaff is nice to have but not a necessity, just do a bit of tree hugging and turn slightly so you have like a 20-40° angle to the missile, the only time you really need chaff is when you are at a higher altitude and slow after an engagement w someone and you get third partied.

Yes I multipath too. Never said I don’t. But depending on the situation chaff is very useful if not the only option.

@Turbo-Baguette

For notching, you need BOTH 90° angle relative to the radar source, and chaffs. Except some small technical differences that I don’t remember, it’s how it must be done, whether you are low, or high, with the missile coming from lower, or higher.

Yes. There’s also anglegating so it’s more than just a 90° angle and chaffing. The thing with the missile’s altitude: a missile coming from above will not turn off it’s PD filter so it will keep moving towards you and won’t follow chaff so easily. A missile coming from below will turn off it’s PD filter and will be fooled by chaff.

[pooqich]

@TIGER_TANK_1

For one, chaff does not do much in top tier. Maybe make it easier to notch, but still not a big deal.

[Turbo-Baguette]

@hjnbnb

No it doesn’t, it works about 20% of the time and is less consistent than multipathing, chaffing does not increase your chances of dodging a missile

For sure it’s not 20%… it’s almost 100%, but only if you reach and keep the good notching angle, which is not easy. But just a matter of practice.

[Turbo-Baguette]

At the end I think we just have different gameplay styles, and it’s ok.

It seems you rely a lot on multipathing. In my case, I constantly fly at medium altitude, so I mostly dodge missiles with notching and chaffs.
One of the other reason I don’t like multipathing is because flying so low almost all the time requires a lot of attention and doesn’t make you able to look around easily to keep a good situation awarness.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Turbo-Baguette

Guys, multipathing is not reliable. I am extremely surprised so many still rely on it at top tier.

Worked for me in ARB when I was using absolute shitbrick called Su-34.

@Turbo-Baguette

Second, except if you are lucky, multipathing won’t protect you from missiles arriving at you with a high dive angle. I kill so many multipathing people like this.

Anyone not hugging the ground would just get curb stomped by a dozen missiles coming from several different directions.

[Turbo-Baguette]

@MotorolaCRO

Anyone not hugging the ground would just get curb stomped by a dozen missiles coming from several different directions.

What do you mean, I am not sure. You say that having a good survival rate without using multipathing is impossible?
If yes, I can tell you that… you are wrong ;)

Su34 is not a pure fighter btw. It’s normal that you struggle if you use it like a normal jet fighter. Take advantage of it’s very good radar (in TWS) instead. When I play this one I also always carry the big FAB to get extra points by dropping it on a base when you can.

[Pangolin_Fan]

Chaff doesn’t do much at low alt since ground clutter fulfils what would have been chaff’s role.

[山_田_凉]

It’s an issue, but unfortunately just the way it is. I wouldn’t say it’s a big problem, it’s just a necessity of the F2P system.

Chaff isn’t absolutely necessary to notch and defeat a missile, and is not important at lower altitudes especially. Here’s a video on this matter by CatWerfer:

- YouTube

[hjnbnb]

@ProGod_Aris

Completely wrong. That suggests you don’t know how to notch.

No, notching just doesnt work

@Turbo-Baguette

For sure it’s not 20%… it’s almost 100%, but only if you reach and keep the good notching angle, which is not easy. But just a matter of practice.

A lot of the time it doesnt work because you’re the last alive on your team with enemies coming from 4 different angles, if you’re notching one yeah, its fine, any more and it gets annoying and pointless

[ProGod_Aris]

@Pangolin_Fan

Chaff doesn’t do much at low alt since ground clutter fulfils what would have been chaff’s role

I think you’re confusing normal P and PD radars. Only Pulse radars get confused by ground clutter. PD radars do not get confused by ground clutter.

Multipathing is not ground clutter. It’s an “issue” with radars and the way they work.

@hjnbnb

No, notching just doesnt work

Mmmm, no you just clearly don’t know how to notch. If you knew you wouldn’t be saying that. I’ve notched countless times both in ARB and ASB.

@hjnbnb

A lot of the time it doesnt work because you’re the last alive on your team with enemies coming from 4 different angles, if you’re notching one yeah, its fine, any more and it gets annoying and pointless

That’s honestly just a bad team. Which yes happens most often than not. And notching in that situation is basically impossible.

[pooqich]

@ProGod_Aris

I think you’re confusing normal P and PD radars.

PD radars switch to pulse mode when you notch, at high alt chaff gets the radar to lose lock, and at low alt its ground clutter

[ProGod_Aris]

Not all do, or if all do it it’s not that great of a deal. If it happens you unlock and relock the target. Or just use TWS. Although lately TWS+ has been doing its own magical things but wtv.

[TIGER_TANK_1]

I think that’s an F-14 exclusive thing.

[pooqich]

no, if your plane has a regular SRC it will switch to SRC instead of SRC PD
it only works if there is no ground clutter in view
i did some quick testing with a friend, i know my game is in russian but it should be understandable for you (СПР ИД = TRK PD; СПР = TRK)

in the last seconds he dropped chaff

[I_MiikaL_I]

@TIGER_TANK_1

For one, chaff does not do much in top tier. Maybe make it easier to notch, but still not a big deal.

This could be THE Number 1 tiger_tank take if the year.

Tell me you haven’t played top tier without telling me

[pooqich]

he bombs bases in a tomcat, go figure

[I_MiikaL_I]

I forgot he bombs in the EFT well after being spaded 😥

[I_MiikaL_I]

@Turbo-Baguette

It seems you rely a lot on multipathing. In my case, I constantly fly at medium altitude, so I mostly dodge missiles with notching and chaffs.

Agreed, my playstyle since ARH released has been to position off to the left of my team at ~5500m (about 100m below contrail height in order to remain stealthy) and this means dodging the occasional fox-3 with a well-executed notch, then turning into and above the furball, as seen in this clip, allowing for peak kill potential

Peak ARH Spam

[iboopy]

@Turbo-Baguette

I am extremely surprised so many still rely on it at top tier.

Get out of jail free card, pretty skillless.

Of course, some people will be forced to play at MP height if they for example don’t have chaff (stock) or are in planes that just can’t really contest at high altitudes (ie fox1 vs fox3 that’s not a 27ER)

Another problem can be countermeasure count, as I sure as hell wouldn’t want to contest altitude in a Su-33 with only 48 CMs.

@Turbo-Baguette

Energy dodging

Doesn’t really work within 10-15km, but sure early game with the 20+km launches you’ll be fine with just going cold.

@Turbo-Baguette

and notching.

A lot more consistent and applicable to most situations.

Just learn the mechanics of the game.

[iboopy]

@hjnbnb

No, notching just doesnt work

It does and is a lot more consistent than multipathing.

@hjnbnb

any more and it gets annoying and pointless

Pointless? no

You’re a lot more likely to die to top downs from multiple people than just notching

A prime example is this clip:

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If I was multipathing here, there is absolutely no way I would have survived without at least some damage.
Notching WELL works almost 100% of the time (Some situations you might find your aircraft incapable of reaching the notch angle, for example a 29SMT)