I think we can all agree that the swedish anti-air trolley is a bit underwhelming if not useless at times in this current configuration. Lowering the BR would cause problems but it also cannot compete against other SPAA units of other nations or the CAS capabilities of the jets at the current BR.
The main problems being its mobility, missiles effective range, lack of datalink and generally the very low number of missiles you get to play with.
I can see the mobility being fixed in the future but that alone wont solve the problem that it will still be far from a good SPAA with the kit it has. The missile never had datalink so youre stuck with IOG, the range is okay and works as expected but if Im willingly playing a far worse SPAA I expect a tradeoff in return. And the only realistic buff it can receive is more ammo boxes which would still leave you with a 15 second reload for 4 missiles.
So since multi-vehicle systems are a thing then why couldnt we have multiple missile trolleys? Cause I dont see any other way of making this platform viable on its own and I dont know how they didnt think of this in the first place.
Basically, why not have a command/radar vehicle like a Giraffe AMB which spawns in first and have 2 deployable Bv410 launchers (like 2 EldE 98s we already have but without the radars). This would not only increase the platforms effectiveness but survivability with the two launchers being able to engage multiple targets while not running out of ammo in less than a minute of fighting. The two launchers would also have the option of deploying smoke if concealment would be needed.
So basically it would work like the german IRIS-T SLM we already have, it still wont be as good as the SLM but it would be a step into the right direction.
Now this would be a nice buff that could replace and improve on the existing EldE 98.
Im not trying to make this system OP or asking for a unrealistic buff cause this is how the Rbs 98 should have been introduced in the first place.
I just want it to be viable and even if a change like this ever happens it probably still wont even be nearly the best at its intended role.
If youre introducing a new vehicle which you know very well does not even improve at all over the previous then why should we need to spend 400k research points to get it?
given how rare it is for gaijin to rework a vehicle from the ground up, i dont think EldE 98 will get any sort of rework. Best bet for Elde98 getting competitive are either additonal ammo boxes or decompression im afraid.
Honestly its more likely the Elde will be either fixed mobility wise or removed from the game since the engine can’t handle the vehicle. More ammo doesn’t fix the problem that the vehicle lacks the range to hit targets at 12.0 it lacks the mobility to change positions, and it lacks the radar to handle most threats, adding another vehicle to the mix means you’re more likely to get knocked out of the battle as you already are a worse Type 81 at a higher BR.
As for your suggestion no…just no, the Elde simply doesn’t work for warthunder it needs to be removed and replaced with BAMSE or Nomads, nomads is more similar to the Elde but it would be a much lower BR as it has less missile ready to use. For 12.0 either BAMSE or SLAMRAAM or NASAM HML would be better.
true, but I guess Im asking for too much either way. Lets hope they folder it and give it more ammo at least since they cant even make it work properly.
yep, that sucks. Well I hope they can give us something new next update as compensation at least. Maybe a bit of decompression could save it but Im not sure how close we are to getting some decompression any time soon.
Im sorry but if you think decompression could save it then what was the pount of adding a 12.0 spaa, it simply needs to be removed and replaced, gaijin basically stated they knew the engine couldn’t handle it and added it anyways but you know how it goes.
Maybe Im setting my hopes a bit too high but you never know. But Im also not against them just straight up removing it as it has zero reason to be in the game.
was there such vehicle in entire history of warthunder that got removed on grounds of being bad and not due to some other issue like not existing in the first place?
maybe the chinese PT-76 but even with that im not sure it was due to it being bad. or was it?
EDIT: apparently china never used PT-76s tanks from what i could find.
Normally not, what tends to happen is the vehicle is replaced with a version that actually works the problem here is gaijin openly admitted that the game engine can’t run powered track vehicles like the Elde, in that case there is no fix they can do that will fix the vehicle. Increase the front by a ton of tracking and HP. Trailer will still fishtail and make you spin, the trailer would need to be removed entirely. Im gonna assume you haven’t looked at any of my clips of it but the vehicle simply cant work, it doesn’t have the range nor the ammo to be 12.0 but it doesn’t have the ability to go down in BR because of compression. Its a vehicle that very simply cannot be balanced to which is what happened to the Maus. As it was removed as it was too difficult to balance at the time, now there are far more Anti maus rounds around that BR so its more of a seasonal vehicle for people to get. The Elde simply just isnt something people want to play because its too frustrating to use.
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Again the trailer is the problem, its not a trailer its the other half of the vehicle it should turn with the vehicle, when you want to turn right the rear turnleft so that the vehicle is curved to turn right. In game it doesn’t do that. It also locks up at high speeds so you either domt turn fast enough then when you do turn you get locked by the trailer into turning.
Notice it says 2000 rpm, thats max engine power and its turning like im playing the Yamato lol
See it cant climb anything because its too heavy and too small. Gaijin can’t buff it without making it a fictional vehicle, give it more HP to make up for the small tracks so it can try and push itself up a cliff. Cant do that cause then its not historical, again the best solution for them is to forget the vehicle and add any number of copy and paste because that how gaijin works.
SLAMRAAM and IRIS-T SLM are the only copy and paste they could add but id rather NASAM HML or BAMSE as they are both unique and work for top tier. (Well not so much BAMSE but its something.
i still cant recall that happening with any vehicle we have in game. again maybe PT-76 but that was due to fact that China never operated them, only evaluated them in order to create their own domestic light amphibious light tank.
I did, i just have no reason to dispute the mobility issues. You both said and showed how poorly EldE handles, i take it as a fact.
well they claimed that it will be improved in the future, but as you already stated, “in the future” does not fix it now. not to mention that “in the future” can mean in 20 years or so, lol.
i mean they could always tweak values we cannot see without datamines.
IMO it fills the same niche as Strela, it just does it better. Not saying that niche is good, useful or needed at its current BR where it faces mostly long range FnF AGM slingers. But it can be improved in the future with decompression. To give example i mentioned in the other thread, albeit not for ground units - MiG-21bis SAU. When i unlocked it i played it like 5 times before putting it in storage because i faced F-16s and MiG-29s every game. Played it properly only last year and i enjoyed it much more. What i am trying to say that further down the line EldE can become quite good for its BR if we get decompression.
alas with how reluctant gaijin is with ground decompression, its more of a wishful thinking that actual solution.
Not exactly, gaijin has a tendency to add vehicles as a way to shut the community up only to say they just received something, theres no plans to add anything else. So the Elde is a parasite with no value on your team if you see someone playing it. Its a sidegrade to the type 81 at 11.7 but at least with my type 81 i have mobility and 8 missiles, 16 with box.
See that’s fine, things are constantly rebalanced…Adding new things and creating further compression through the lack of understanding is not fine and it is not healthy for the game.
IRIS-T SLM is the new Pantsir it is so much better than anything any other nation has…excluding the Pantsir
