AMX gets gbus and thermals at 10.3 same cancer as the a6e
I’ve been saying this for awhile.
Some nations simply have less to add, so why do they get added last? Shouldn’t they get their stuff first and allow everyone else to catch up instead of the other way around?
If you keep it the way it currently is then the lobbies will just be USvUS or USvRU or US/RUvRU/US since no other nation will be able to compete.
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Yep, and by keeping the “minor nations” with “less to add” in a disadvantaged state, less people play them. I dont blame people for playing US and USSR because they get a constant stream of new content and are always competitive. Minor nations have periods being good and then periods of being bad.
Take this past yeer. Britain and Sweden have fielded 11.3s to take on 12s and then 12.3s. Im not surprised many have moved onto other nations and so Gripens dont seem to be massively common (at least in SB and the few ARB matches ive done of late)
If the minor nations were better and more people played them, that issue of having “over-populated” nations might be reduced a bit
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That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
How about this.
You have a restaurant with a few customers, and at one table sits a couple very loud, very full and very angry guest.
At the other table, you have a few quiet guest who look like they are starving.
So you keep serving the loud table that clearly doesn’t need anythingas their table is full while ignoring the quiet table that has nothing on it.
So you keep getting more and more of these loud full people who keep coming back because the service is amazing and less and less of the quiet people who don’t like being ignored.
Then you look around and you only have one or two types of customers and the rest are gone, so when the occasional quiet customer walks in you ignore them and maybe throw some water at their table every once in awhile to keep em happy.
Catering to one type of customer while ignoring others is a bad way to run a business.
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Your logic is “No one plays them so why add anything to them…”
Except the reason no one plays them is because nothing is added to them regularly and their content is often in a poor state.
If they actually added content to them, fixed the content they have and kept them at even a playable level, then more people would probably play them. I have seen more than a few people say they would love to play “X” nation, but gave up and swapped to US or USSR because they were just so much easier
If you only add content to 2 nations then people will only play 2 nations.
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Alternatively, they can come at the same time so there aren’t 1-2 planes that domimate for an entire patch, it wasn’t great when the F-16C swept the floor during it’s patch, the Mig 29 the 3 patches before that, F-14a and Mirage 2000 before that, Mig 23MLD before that, etc.
I don’t like when people are just waiting for “their turn” on the meta jet, instead contemporary vehicles should be added around the same time, though EF2000 amd Rafale would be equal to things like an F-15C late (Aesa/HMD upgrades), Su-35, Super Hornet, F-16C block 72, etc. We’re still a several technologies behind even being able to have them added faithfully to the game.
You are right… That is how it is “suppose” to be done. Reality never works like that though. They’ll never add these nations at the same time and likelyhood is, EFT and Rafale will be some of the last. Heck, they added the F-16C and Mig-29SMT at 12.3 before 2 nations even had 11.7s. Not too mention 12s. The likelyhood is that the Typhoon won’t come until 3-6 months after equivalents and probably aircraft a br or 2 ahead like those you have listed
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but knowing Gaijin US/USSR will always gets their superiority period until other nations receives equivalents patches later
I had a hunch that gaijin might consider Rafale M F1 from french navy before Eurofighter Typhoon DA from 3 countries (British, Germany & Italy) because IR SRAAM limited carries 6x Magic II, MRAAM 6x MICA EM but none Air-to-Ground armament
Typhoon DA2 could be equipped with 6x Aim-9M/Aim-9Li and 6x AMRAAM
Typhoon F2 might also be outfitted with the same loadout but might get ASRAAM instead (or in a later update)
Neither the Typhoon DA2 or F2 would have very much in the way of Air to ground weapons. I think at most it is 6x BL755 cluster bombs
BL755:
Spoiler
BL755 is a cluster bomb developed by Hunting Aircraft that contains 147 parachute-retarded high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) submunitions. Its primary targets are armoured vehicles and tanks with secondary soft target (anti personnel) capabilities. It entered service with the Royal Air Force (RAF) in 1973.
BL755 was developed as a new-generation anti-tank weapon that would allow extremely low-level attacks against Soviet armoured formations. The introduction of the ZSU-23-4 Shilka self-propelled anti-aircraft gun rendered the pop-up attack profile demanded by iron bombs and air-to-ground rockets almost suicidal. The cluster munition would be dropped in pairs while the aircraft overflew the formation at 450 knots (830 km/h; 520 mph) and 300 feet altitude, covering an area of 1,000 by 500 feet (300 m × 150 m).
The weapon’s first use in combat was during the Falklands War where it was used in the anti-infantry role. When dropped from ultra-low altitudes, the bomblets proved to have a very high failure rate because the parachutes often did not deploy in time. A new version was ordered for the Gulf War that added a radar altimeter allowing release from medium altitudes and then opening at the proper altitude.
(due to the lack of CBUs you in War Thunder, I could see these being replaced with Mk.M2 540lb or the HE.MC Mk.13 1000lb)
Its not until later Block 2 Typhoons like the Typhoon FGR4, that they would be fitted with targeting pods and guided weapons.
Typhoon DA.2 armed early 5th gen IR AAM ASRAAM but Rafale M F1 limited IR SRAAM magic II only
Personally I believe Typhoon DA.2 better Rafale M F1
Typhoon DA2 could be armed with ASRAAM, but could be armed with Aim-9L or Aim-9L/I or Aim-9M. Which would be on-par with Magic II.
Infact all Typhoons maintain the ability to equip Aim-9 Sidewinders should it ever be needed
So Typhoon DA2 and Rafale M F1 would have comparible Air-to-Air loadouts
Typhoon DA.2 limited IR SRAAM AIM-9L & AIM-9L/i but never access ASRAAM ?
It could be equipped with ASRAAM.
ASRAAM was being developed/Being brought into service at the same time as the Typhoon was being developed. So it was likely tested with both and likely used both as the UK would still have had a stock Aim-9 from other airframes (Tornado, Harrier, Jaguar, Sea Harrier) that were all still in service.
ASRAAM entered service in 1998 and the first Typhoons were ordered in 1998. With the Typhoon DA2 a Prototype aircraft, it was likely tested with Aim-9 long before ASRAAM was even ready
All Typhoons can still equip Aim-9 as far as I am aware as both ASRAAM and IRIS-T have the same kind of mountings. Its just that no Typhoon nation still uses Aim-9 and instead uses ASRAAM or IRIS-T.
What I am hoping for is a “Euro-Delta” update. Where we will see Gripen E, Typhoon and Rafale all added at the same time as the stars of the show (and not like they usually are a 2 second, blink and you will miss it showing in the trailer like the Gripen was)
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For that analogy to be fair you must say that loud customers actually sit at 9 tables. So it is unfair but at least understandable.
It’s the classic dilemma of chicken and egg. Is FRA less popular because it gets less vehicles or it get less vehicles because it’s less popular?
Guys, don’t get me wrong. I play several minor nations as well and I would not mind see them better stocked with more vehicles, however, I do understand why devs concentrate their efforts where more players could actually enjoy them.
Be realistic now … if you’re wwII fan, French had pretty much zero successful tank designs during ww2. Pre war, fine but there were no famous tank battles on the western front. From the airplanes, sure we all know what Brits and Germany was using …French? Nah.
From modern stuff, sure they have pretty fair jets and one iconic Mirage, but again, it’s just not as appealing to anyone except the French, and few of us military fanatics.
Of course, that would happen for next Christmas.
Also, why Gripen E, isn’t most meta plane in the game last one that needs an upgrade?
Rafale and Eurofighter will be better than the Gripen C, Gripen E closes that gap by adding hardpoints, increased engine power etcetera, although it will need its radar artificially nerfing or get a PS-05/A Mk.4 (the raven aesa uses the same mount so theoretically they might be compatible).
But why Christmas?
We could see equivalent for other nations anytime now. Why couldn’t they come the update before other nations rather than 3 to 6 months after then?