Typhoon DA.2 limited IR SRAAM AIM-9L & AIM-9L/i but never access ASRAAM ?
It could be equipped with ASRAAM.
ASRAAM was being developed/Being brought into service at the same time as the Typhoon was being developed. So it was likely tested with both and likely used both as the UK would still have had a stock Aim-9 from other airframes (Tornado, Harrier, Jaguar, Sea Harrier) that were all still in service.
ASRAAM entered service in 1998 and the first Typhoons were ordered in 1998. With the Typhoon DA2 a Prototype aircraft, it was likely tested with Aim-9 long before ASRAAM was even ready
All Typhoons can still equip Aim-9 as far as I am aware as both ASRAAM and IRIS-T have the same kind of mountings. Its just that no Typhoon nation still uses Aim-9 and instead uses ASRAAM or IRIS-T.
What I am hoping for is a “Euro-Delta” update. Where we will see Gripen E, Typhoon and Rafale all added at the same time as the stars of the show (and not like they usually are a 2 second, blink and you will miss it showing in the trailer like the Gripen was)
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For that analogy to be fair you must say that loud customers actually sit at 9 tables. So it is unfair but at least understandable.
It’s the classic dilemma of chicken and egg. Is FRA less popular because it gets less vehicles or it get less vehicles because it’s less popular?
Guys, don’t get me wrong. I play several minor nations as well and I would not mind see them better stocked with more vehicles, however, I do understand why devs concentrate their efforts where more players could actually enjoy them.
Be realistic now … if you’re wwII fan, French had pretty much zero successful tank designs during ww2. Pre war, fine but there were no famous tank battles on the western front. From the airplanes, sure we all know what Brits and Germany was using …French? Nah.
From modern stuff, sure they have pretty fair jets and one iconic Mirage, but again, it’s just not as appealing to anyone except the French, and few of us military fanatics.
Of course, that would happen for next Christmas.
Also, why Gripen E, isn’t most meta plane in the game last one that needs an upgrade?
Rafale and Eurofighter will be better than the Gripen C, Gripen E closes that gap by adding hardpoints, increased engine power etcetera, although it will need its radar artificially nerfing or get a PS-05/A Mk.4 (the raven aesa uses the same mount so theoretically they might be compatible).
But why Christmas?
We could see equivalent for other nations anytime now. Why couldn’t they come the update before other nations rather than 3 to 6 months after then?
I’m primarily answering the title of the thread with my own 2 cents.
I’d rather wait for a (mostly) functioning aircraft over one that’s mostly impossible to develop well in the near future, we saw how rough the FMs were for planes this patch and how the F-15A and C (early) still have messed up radars, and they don’t even bring anything mew mechanically speaking to the game.
Gaijin struggles to upkeep current code to stop things like armament from becoming unusable, and can’t even model radars that are more or less the same as those we’ve had for over a year, as well as failing to do things like Flight models correctly on a regular basis. Imagine how scuffed the Rafale would look, AESA radar, ARH (Not counting the Pheonix because it barely works), High energy retention delta wing aircraft, new A-A armaments, a ton of newer electronics systems, ECM, and more things I can’t think of off the top of my head. If it were to come any time soon, it wouldn’t even remotely resemble it’s real life counterpart, so my verdict is that we’re a year and a half off from even considering it as a viable option.
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In that case so are all of these.
If Britain, Germany, France, Italy and Sweden (50% of nations in game) can’t get their next major aircraft for over a year . Then neither can the other 5. Simple.
Andall are rather screwed with very very few options left for anything to be added until Typhoon/equivalents get added.
Britain has a few 12.3s but thats it
Welcome to minor nations.
Tornado F3 = 3 months till it got its actual radar. FM Still incomplete, Weapons still buggy
Tonardo Gr1 = Missing most of its counter-measures, FM still incomplete, Misisng ground attack weapons, missing radar
Sea Harrier FRS1 = 9 months to get own radar and cockpit, cockpit still incomplete, wrong RWR
Harrier Gr7 = Still missing MAWS after more than a year, missing loadout options
Gripen C = Wrong cockpit, Wrong radar, Missing weapons, (and more)
Not a single aircraft in the British TT has been added without major problems or missing components. So no one expected anything different with the Typhoon
I wasn’t saying we’re ready for super Flankers or Modern Eagles either, definitely not, moreso that this is Gaijin we’re talking about, so expectations must be tempered, and the initial post asking for these jets feels like it belongs in the wishlisting thread.
I like that you brought up the Gripen C though, because that is a great example of what I was talking about with the Rafale, it wasn’t ready on launch, still missing a ton of tech, FM had to be sent down the drain because of player stats making it so watered down it can hardly be called a Gripen, and the F-15 isn’t much better.
However, if you like Euro deltas and want something competitive but not broke with an AESA radar that may be added in the near future to a non-US/RU tech tree, I believe you might be interested in the Chinese J-10 series of fighters.
Their is only one euro delta we want and pre production EFTs had PD radars
First 2 Typhoons would have CAPTOR-M and not AESA.
and why would I grind out an entire TT just for an aircraft that I have no interest in.
No British Aircraft has ever been added in a state where it was correct from launch. So nothing new there.
Gripen C is a fine stop-gap, but it aint british. As much you might hate it. Typhoon HAS to come ASAP. because otherwise Italy, Germany and Britain will be DOA again before long.
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It will definitely not be DOA if added faithfully, unless it’s added alongside F-22 with speculative proposed upgrades, Su-57S model, and other current “best of the best” planes, the closest thing we have in terms of flight performance is the F-16C and even that would have a really rough time trying to compete with an EF2000, as well as having 8 good missile hardpoints and the ability to carry some of the best IR missiles period.
If it came to the game next update, it would likely be extremely nerfed in terms of araments and flight performance, like the Gripen, so that it wouldn’t destroy matches, and then fans would be complaining about how inacurate it is because Gaijin added it too early and didn’t take their time.
No, I mean, If we are left with what we have no for the next 18 months, all 3 nations would be unplayable at top tier again. Gripen C might be strong now, but Vs 13.3s it wouldn’t be
There’s quite a bit of planes left before we’d see Rafale/EF2000 I suspect. These could be Harrier 2, J-10A, Mig-25PD, F-14D, F-18 (perhaps Australian for UK Fox 3), F-15C, Su-27 (variant for fox 3), and possibly others. Yes both Rafale and EF had early variants with PD radars but there’s no getting around the fact that they have features that makes it hard to balance such as MAWS, LWS, simultaneous IRST/TV (passive ranging in the case of EF), and that they’d eat up every other plane alive in terms of dogfighting as well as better fox 3 performance due to being able to launch them at higher altitude and speed than other planes.
On the French side, before we get the Rafale the Mirage 2000-5F will be perfecly capable of holding his ground against any others Fox 3 capable aircrafts, if he get at least his 4 MICA EM missiles. So it’s really not an emergency to get it, although the ammount of available plane that can be added before the Rafale is declining.
For Rank 8 i can see only 2 interestings aircrafts left to be added outside of the Rafale : the Mirage F1 MF2000 and the Mirage 2000D RMV, the last two others planes that can mount the MICA outside of the Rafale ( although only the IR for the 2000D ).
Outside of theses two, it would be too redundant ( 2000D-R2 ), just some worse variants of what we already have ( 2000C-S3, 2000B-S5 ) or would be some fillers for Rank 7, like the Mirage F1 M53, Mirage 50, Mirage III NG, Alpha Jet, Mirage IV, and maybe the Mirage G.8, even if i have reserves about this one.
Given theses data, i think it’s not unreasonable to think of a Rafale M standard F1 for december 2024. After all some people keep saying that the game is never ready for the newer things (like F15/Su27) but Gaijin keep pushing the limit further anyway, so why would they change their mind and stop the machinery now ?
Well, it looks like as with most jets this update, they’re planning on adding ARH next patch since they’ve set everyone up to receieve them, we don’t know how strong they’re going to be, bit we do know everyone is getting AMRAAMs on their launch capable platforms to some degree. We don’t know the battle ratings of future jets, how future jets will be modeled, and which armaments they’ll receieve, or even how current armaments will be nerfed and to what degree.
M4K with MICA maybe as it was planned.
Introducing the “European Wings” update, featuring Typhoon for Italy and Germany, Rafale for France and the Tornado F.3 for Britain!
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