but for that gaijin needs to see the issue first
right now they look at the kd of the flarakrad and pantsir(which is used has a td late game)
and just say close enough or the flarakrad is even better according to kd lets add a more modern pantsir. Pantsir-S1M or Pantsir-SM anyone ?( Pantsir-SM has only twice the range of current pantsir)
SLAMRAAM and Stryker MSL with AIM-9X can be good options.
Why are you so hyper fixated on the US? The main discussion is SPAA and how SPAA can stop CAS being a problem in-game, the F-16C isn’t bad at CAS it’s pretty capable but the SU-25SM3 outperforms it in my opinion.
The issue is vehicles like the Roland system, ADATS and Type 81(C) (and more) which are meant to compete against the Pantsir and Tor-M1 in performance.
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Balancing by KDR is the worst decision Gaijin has ever made, the addition of the Obj. 292 and it remaining at 10.0 (until now) shows the issue with evaluating vehicles by KDR. A vehicle in theory could be amazing but if the average player whom plays the vehicle is stupid then the vehicle would remain at a artificially low BR.
the opposite is also true ask the sagittario 2 basically played to hell by youtubers showing how op it was and now its just way to high in br (and before cost but i guess the current economy fixed it)
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Factual statement.
Proxy rounds are a Ka-5x’s worst nightmare.
guess so apfsds just tickles
Well usually yes.
The only APFSDS shot I did against a Kamov/Mi-24-like helicopter was HSTVL on Cargo Port.
First of all, Tor-m1 is not more powerful than AA in the West.when bad weather，tor even go usless
In reality, Pantsir-S1 belongs to a different organization from the Western aa in the game, which belongs to a higher level of air defense, and the western substitute is basically a combination of radar and missile vehicles. In reality, Pantsir-S1 needs to lower the support frame to turn on the fire control system and start working, rather than driving while using it.
I don’t think your discussions are being taken seriously because they are not balanced enough to drive players to the “strong” side and sell their various bundles.
First of all, Tor-m1 is not more powerful than AA in the West
I’m sorry but it’s a fact that the Tor-M1 is at LEAST the 2nd best SPAA in-game, it has 2 channels for datalink meaning it can fire and guide 2 missiles at once, it can switch between targets in TWS and the radar range and mobility of the vehicle overall is nice.
It also has the most manoeuvrable missile in-game for a SPAA vehicle, no other SPAA can match its missiles in pure G overload.
2nd best vs planes. But it one of the worst spaa vs helicopters so overall it worse than ItO.
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Meanwhile Italy with the Otomatic:
2nd best vs planes. But it one of the worst spaa vs helicopters so overall it worse than ItO
It’s also fine against helicopters, I haven’t come across a single issue with helicopter engagements and don’t forget the fact it can destroy fire and forget missiles like the Pantsir which is a huge plus.
The ItO is good but it’s nothing near the performance of the Pantsir and Tor-M1
Remove the APFSDS limit on the OTOMATIC and move it down to like 11.0 or 10.7 and it would be amazing, literally a worse 2S38 by BR as of right now.
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They also nerfed its proxy shell.
It used to behave like a tiny nuke going off next to a plane now you need 3+ to kill a single plane and more for a heli.
This thing is simply trash for a top tier aa.
Its only kinda good for helis because of the irst and the proxy shells but if a cas pilot taps any key to turn, your shell simply never connects.
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adats still missing its stabilizer
It has a very slow missile for intercepting helicopters due the vertical launch. A 5km range it will fly about 2 seconds longer than the mim146, which is already pretty slow for intercepting helicopters. With this amount of missile flight time the helicopter always has enough time to hide back behind the terrain. I even die from ottomatic more often than from tor-m1 on a helicopter.
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It has a very slow missile for intercepting helicopters due the vertical launch
The vertical launch of the Tor-M1 is like 0.5 seconds, that’s within human error and wouldn’t change anything from gameplay.
It absolutely changes gameplay
I agree on the part about Eastern SPAA being unbalanced, but eastern CAS is not that great. Good, yes, but not the greatest. I personally just bring the f4f ICE or Mig29G into toptier matches and use that as SPAA by spamming aim120 at unsupecting people, and if i have enough SP i take the mavericks as well
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