I find that conclusion somewhat strange given that they previously rejected the use of the USN empirical formula (and I would add the Garzke and Dulin Empirical formula which incorrectly claimed to be based off the USN one but actually yielded far different results) for any estimates on shell penetration.
If we’re not accepting penetration formula estimates derived from other nations, why start using textbook dispersion calculations over actual test data now?
Well maybe test data is all different depend on condition testers set? That’s the reason why Gaijin implement penetration formula throughout the games, and yes it is quite sophisticated problem.
But definitely not russian bias or something as in original formula, even russian guns underperform in penetration when compared to the figure written in 1955 documents. Actually with messed ballistic after June 2024 the penetration become similar, the reason I assumed why Gaijin messed ballistic at that time.
Sad problem is, Dunkerque and Rodney’s gun doesn’t exist on that period so they got historical shell velocity while other’s doesn’t. And ‘more famous and powerful’ battleships Gaijin promised uses gun that didn’t exist before June 2024 means that such problem would be bigger in the future.
Personally real life test data should always be used when possible especially when on a ship mount for accuracy as them claiming it is one of the ways they balance ships it does feel like they forgot that br is also a way to balance ships and generally vehicles on a whole
For accuracy yes I agree, but on penetration no.
Every nation has different criteria of ‘penetrate’ by their own term so direct compare of figure written in documents never going to be reasonable for every nation.
So yes I think Gaijin’s using own united formula for every nation is inevitable, clever move.
The only reasonable answer is they will have to construct every ship along with all its armor and weapons and do tests
I am going to Paris in two weeks (friday to sunday). I am going to the archive and I reserved the test report for the Dunkerque.
@Arghail
Do you have any tips on the archive since you already went there before?
Will they allow you to take photos of said documents or either make notes from it?
Yes normally I can take photo and notes.
I trust you already have asked for the archives, they said yes and it will already be prepared when you arrive, yes ? Remember that there’s a few days worth of wait, so that they can find the archives before you can consult them. If all of that is done, then good.
Honestly, I wrote all i remembered last time, i wouldn’t want to give you false hope for anything regarding the procedure. Especially if it’s changed since then. Once the “fourrier” has given you your archives, you’re on your own.
When it comes to the archive itself, I don’t know what it looks like, nore the volume, and you can very quickly be overwhelmed if it’s a hefty box. So my advice is : focus on key words like “obus”, “table d’artillerie”, etc, and schematics and blueprint of the shell that could be useful for @Admiral_Bofors . If you find direct penetration values from French tests of course, even better.
And if anyone (@Magiaconatus, @thefrenchtank etc.) that has better knowledge of this than me has an idea of what kind of documents should be prioritized, don’t hesitate.
The opening on the right at the very end of the room is where you’ll get your archives, the “fourrier” should give it to you there.
They respond to my request for the documents, and it seem they are conserved in Châtellerault and not Vincennes as the site says.
So I will not be able to see them. :(
But I will look if their are some other document in the archive about the Dunkerque.