But for cold war . It was descent
well one of the main problems they had was making the armor for proper battle ships i believe
Anything to do with dreadnoughts or capital ships the Soviet Union/Russia can be assumed to have struggled with.
Cold war era well it depends, things often didn’t work but Russia had so many of them that it was fine.
I think it needs its implementation changing and buffing, because i’m not convinced even at 7.0 she will be strong, but again I don’t think even at optimum it was going to be 7.0. It just doesn’t have that sort of design.
Does anyone know the amount of pen lost when a shell is considered SAPCBC instead of APCBC ?
one solution is, instead of making it binary (good pen or bad pen), would be to make a scale, with the amount of pen lost gradually being more important as cap weight decreases
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it loose 13% of pen when it’s a SAPCBC instead of an APCBC so basicly we could have a 610 mm pen shell and even by taking an inbetwen it would be 575mm of pen , so not very great but still an upgrade even tho i really think the dunkerque deserve the 610 mm of pen for historical accuracy and also because this ship is everything but balanced at the moment …
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Greatest naval power doesn’t always mean they have best ship.
Number and strategy according to it is biggest meaning of greatest naval power. Simple formula since Age of Sail.
Besides, current soviet bluewater is not as OP as they used to. Especially Kronshtadt and Sverdlov.
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Imperial russian navy was one of biggest naval power in Eruope for early to mid 19th century. Not to say ‘never’
i would be happy with the 575 tbh, If it’s closer to reality, so be it
The problem is also decompression, Dunkerque could sit at 6.7 or 7.0 easily if it wasn’t for the monsters that sit at this br. Current top BR in naval should be raised to 7.7 imo
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I think the point Tictaculer was trying to make is the following :
Gaijin told many times that different nations struggle because they lack vehicles for certain eras and certain types (example : Current air Germany, or top tier tanks Italy)
Both of those are reflected in game, but when it comes to russia, which lacked battleships during interwar and WW2, they somehow get one of the most meta ship in game, ship that, mind you, didn’t exist in the state it’s portrayed in game.
One can then ask the question : why did Gaijin didn’t apply their standard behavior : tell players using russian navy that no good battleship can be expected because there is no real counterpart ?
Russian tree would have been good with cold war stuff, but would end up with a hole in the WW2 era, which is fine, plenty of trees lack something somewhere.
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That wasn’t me haha, too many of us with the same awesome Barham profile picture making similar points haha.
I agree with your take though.
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Damn it they are everywhere ! X)
Edited the post, thanks for the correction ^^’
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It’s disappointing that even with Admiral_Bofors calculations proving that the shell had bigger AP cap, they still don’t want to change it to AP…
They really don’t want France to be more competitive at the top tier, and potentially attract more players to grind the tt.
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610mm would be Alaska levels of pennetration. Thats not amazing pen , but at least you could do something at the top tier.
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Yeah that would be not great but not terrible at least we could ammorack some top tier BB because with the actual shells it’s possible but very hard .
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I’m guessing the pen numbers on navweaps are… optimistic estimates.
I wouldn’t expect 700+mm on the Dunkerque guns, but 630-ish sounds pretty fair for guns broadly comparable to the Italian 320mm/44 guns, firing lighter AP shells at lower velocity.
The number on the navweaps come from the USN Empirical Formula so we can say it would be as much accurate than the jacob de marre formula used by gaijin .
From my research, those penetration values are from a well known battleship book that claims to have used the USN empirical formula. However, there’s a very detailed article that shows that even their estimates given in the book are not consistent with the USN formula and it would be reasonable to doubt the validity of such numbers (see History and Technology - The Garzke and Dulin Empirical Formula for Armor Penetration - NavWeaps).
However, none of this discounts the fact that there is a very strong case for improved AP penetration values over what we currently have.
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After i checked a bit the jacob de marre formula seems to be equivalent as the USN empirical formula in the calculation they both use the same characteritics like velocity, diameter , weight ect…
( also pretty funny to see that gaijin use a french formula for their entire game but dont make the french vehicule historicly accurate …)
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it reminds me of the very low tier french tanks
No pen, no damage, you could as well throw mashed potatoes
a way of life really X)
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