Dreams Come True: KV-7

[Get_HeshED]

First of all, half of these were removed precisely because they were deemed not realistic enough for the game, while other half isn’t even fake. And 2nd of all this is just a handful of vehicles, not half of a tech tree containing like 200 of them. Panther with 88 is fake, but panther 2 isn’t.

Tiger 105 is also fake, but this is exactly why it was removed.

Flakpanzer 341 koelian (panther aa) had a wooden mockup turret mounted on fully functional panther chassis. Gaijin still decided it’s not enough though and removed it.

Maus, E100, Zerstörer and Kugelblitz were all at the very least prototypes.

E100 had entire hull completed with attempts of mounting Maus turret on it (they failed, but you can’t call it a paper tank)

Maus was nearly entirely completed, with 2 prototypes built, Kugelblitz also had at least few existing prototypes and as for zerstörer i am pretty sure at the very least turret has been built.

[UniqueScorpions]

I didn’t list everything because I don’t really care. I was making a general statement. I feel like sub 8 vehicles made is a “fake tank” or rather so rare you’d never see it on a battlefield.

The USA is known for this as well. T26E5, T26E-1, T34, T30, T29, T95. Pretty much anything with a T.

The Soviet’s on the other hand do… an odd thing. They usually makes 20-60 batch vehicles then test them, which I believe was the case for the T-54/55.
IS-7 however I think only had 5 built.

[SmørentheBustard]

@UniqueScorpions

I feel like sub 8 vehicles made is a “fake tank” or rather so rare you’d never see it on a battlefield.

@UniqueScorpions

made

@UniqueScorpions

“fake tank”

How can it be “made” but also “fake”???

@UniqueScorpions

I feel

I see.

[Get_HeshED]

That’s even more stupid claim. Just because something wasn’t mass produced doesn’t mean it just didn’t exist.

Every single tank you listed here did exist. Every single one of them, without any exceptions.

T26E1-1 is a wrong designation, it should probably be called T26E4, but regardless of that it did exist and even took part in combat during WW2.

T26E5 did exist as a prototype of standard M26’s upgrade.

T95 is a very real prototype, only US attempt at creating a super heavy tank. I am pretty sure it exists to this day. (Both T28 and T95 were different stages of development of the same vehicle)

While T34, T30 and T29 are all modifications of the same heavy tank development programme mounting different guns.

Every single tank you have mentioned here was built and was fully operational.

I can understand calling a Tiger 2 105 fake, maybe even something like E100 since it was never fully assembled. But these? These aren’t even close to being fake. You are just not educated in armored vehicle history.

And yeah, no crap you wouldn’t see them on the battlefield (outside of T26E1-1), they are Prototypes…

Do you know what a prototype is? It’s not suposed to go to war.

If this game was limited to production vehicles only, gajin would have already ran out of things to add at this point and game would have been extremely boring since you would only have variations of same vehicles to use over and over again.

For example from entire USA rank IV, you would be left with M109, M41, M47 and i believe M56.

And it’s not because bad Gajin adds fake tanks, but rather because it’s a common sense that you don’t need to have like 15 differnt tank designs in your army at the same time. All you need is a 1 base tank and some modifications of it for special tasks. It’s obvious that there will be more cancelled projects than mass produced vehicles.

This game would be dead by now without inclusion of fully operational prototypes

[UniqueScorpions]

The spam of T26E5s and the like is insane. I dislike spammed vehicles that are proto types that are op TURM 3 being a great example.

The match maker should limit it to 2~3 per team in a perfect world.

You can’t call my argument stupid as it’s an opinion. Don’t be so rude.

Also, the M50 would also be fine.
Additionally, the Maus as far as I remember was finished by the Russians, and Germany tried to scuttle it and failed when the evacuated.
The only thing truly working on the maus was the hull.

The turret was wooden on the flak, so it was more or less an idea no?
Zestorer turret is just an normal 30mm quad flak battery the Germans used to defend against air attacks as far as I’m aware.

T-29, T34, T30 were all the same tank just swapped guns. Only 2 were “tested”
T95 & T28 were deemed useless before they even had a chance, pretty sure there was 1 of each, and if I recall correctly, the T95 is sitting in some desert in the US rotting away. No idea about the T28 (unless they recovered either of these)

[Get_HeshED]

They found the T95 after all these years eventually.

If you dislike that, don’t play the game. It’s not a hyperrealistic simulator and with how many prototype vehicles there are when compared to production ones (obviously as explained earlier, out of X experimental tanks only a handful will go into service so it makes sense) limiting them down is not possible without putting insane amount of stress on the matchmaking.

Just drop these outlandish claims and either enjoy the game as it is or quit

[Get_HeshED]

Also Germany did finish the maus to some extent, it’s just that the prototype with the turret got used as a firing target so they just moved the turret from it to the 2nd hull.

And again, whether a vehicle is pointless irl or not doesn’t matter here, because it is a game. Creating a perfect simulator is not possible and it was never the point of War Thunder to begin with.

It’s suposed to be based on realistic conditions and mostly historically accurate vehicles, but it goes on compromises where it’s needed in order to make the game more enjoyable for your average player. And as you can see it works quite well

[UniqueScorpions]

@Get_HeshED

If you dislike that, don’t play the game.

Funnily enough, it’s against policy to say that. I got com banned for a month for saying that. After some kid told me to off myself lol.

Also, I don’t really get what you’re getting at. I said I’d prefer the KV-4 if anything, which was as closely constructed as say the Panther AA.
And I do feel prototypes should be in the game, but the over preforming ones (T26e5 being a massive one), should’ve been an event tank more so than a tech tree one.

[aDSD]

@SmørentheBustard

So as you can see, bar from one, All the “fake” vehicles you said germany has, none of them are “fake” or

Except Tiger 105 that is pure paper like KV-4 you mentioned, with Panther 2 being complete Gaijin imagination and nothing like IRL Panther 2.

KV-4 in WoT is Dukhov’s project, it’s even mentioned in their wiki.

[SmørentheBustard]

@aDSD

Except Tiger 105 that is pure paper

@SmørentheBustard

bar from one

Did you miss this part too?:

@SmørentheBustard

I suppose anyone would be rightful in saying it is “fake” or atleast a paper vehicles

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@aDSD

with Panther 2 being complete Gaijin imagination and nothing like IRL Panther 2.

Right this has been said a 1000 times already. That does not change the fact that the Panther 2 is real.

[aDSD]

@SmørentheBustard

That does not change the fact that the Panther 2 is real.

Dont care lol, the one in War Thunder is absolutely fake, until it gets changed to real model it’s pure fake.

[SmørentheBustard]

This is so tiresome. Why are you picking me to discuss this with? Why would you assume I dont agree with you that the Panther 2 should be changed?

[aDSD]

You re out here saying KV-4 WoT presented imagination and then citing IRL Panther 2 like that proves WT Panther 2 being real.

[SmørentheBustard]

Thats not what I did, I specifically showed the real world panther 2 hull, and a article talking about it.

[aDSD]

Thats exactly what you did, replied to a mention of a fake Panther 2 in WT with IRL Panther 2. Panther 2 IRL never had same engine or transmission Panther 2 carries in game.

@SmørentheBustard

But the KV-4 is a name for a lot of different design ideas. im not sure the “KV-4” in their game is anything less than fictional and the creation of (WarGaming):

And then before you called Dukhov’s design fake, failed to check even WoT own wiki to see which design they went with.

[SmørentheBustard]

@UniqueScorpions

I’m pretty sure out of all the vehicles I just listed, the maus was the only one to have a hull. (Not counting normal panther and tiger hulls)

This is why I cited the real world panther 2 hull in my reply. You could read the qoute but I kinda get the feeling you are not really up to pace, so here is a resume: He said that of all the vehicles that he mentioned, including the Ingame(WT) Panther 2:

@UniqueScorpions

the maus was the only one to have a hull

And expanded this by saying:

@UniqueScorpions

(Not counting normal panther and tiger hulls)

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@aDSD

And then before you called Dukhov’s design fake, failed to check even WoT own wiki to see which design they went with.

This is the commet I replied to

@UniqueScorpions

I like the KV-4 122 from world of tanks, pretty much a bigger badder KV-220

When I searched WOT kv-4 this is the what i Found.

KV-4

I understand that important details are hard for you to understand, not to mention context. Hint: There are a lot of cues in the image above.

[aDSD]

@SmørentheBustard

When I searched WOT kv-4 this is the what i Found.

Brother you literally said this is a fake design in the beggining and just sent a link disproving its a fake design…

The hypocricity of outright calling KV-4 WarGaming imagination , not caring to check what design was used for the game, and searching proof of existance for every each fake ahh german vehicles in game (wait till you find out Ho-Ri)

[SmørentheBustard]

I dont trust War gaming to judge what is real and what is fake or to make models or recreations that are authentic. Do you? As far as I know, by War thunder standarts the aforementioned WOT KV-4 would not be considered worthy of implementation. I could be wrong though

[aDSD]

Brother they literally state they used Dukhov’s project, which precisely fits the in game model.

Which takes 2 seconds to Google.
Hell they even got a KV-4 project of a different engineer in game.

And how the fuck WT Panther 2 or Tiger 105 can be considered accurate if Panther 2 recieves turret, gun it was never supposed to go with, with Tiger 105, turret literally being too cramped to fit coincidence rangefinder and gun breach.

Not even mentioning Ho-Ri design in game being the non-official one drawn by some other guy and not the actual engineers that worked for it.

[SmørentheBustard]

@aDSD

Brother they literally state they used Dukhov’s project, which precisely fits the in game model.

I could care less about the KV-4. I dont care about War gaming or their games. I dont care about how precise you think their models are. Perhabs you are right that the KV-4 in war gaming is not fake, I might have been wrong in saying that

@SmørentheBustard

im not sure the “KV-4” in their game is anything less than fictional and the creation of (WarGaming):

I want you to pay attention to these words specifically:

@SmørentheBustard

im not sure

I wont hold my breath though.

@aDSD

Hell they even got a KV-4 project of a different engineer in game.

My discussion with the other guy was about his statements about what he called fake tanks in war thunder.

@aDSD

And how the fuck WT Panther 2 or Tiger 105 can be considered accurate if Panther 2 recieves turret, gun it was never supposed to go with, with Tiger 105, turret literally being too cramped to fit coincidence rangefinder and gun breach.

I never said that they were. Your skull is so thick.