Really ?
Royal Navy service F-4K Phantom FG.1 armed AIM-9L ?
F-4J Phantom F.3 mounted AIM-9L in RAF service or trial ?
I could be wrong, but I dont think Phantom FG1s recieved Aim-9L whilst in Royal Navy service, but they did when they were transfered into RAF Service after HMS Ark Royal was decommissioned in 1979. So the question is whether or not the FG1 we have in service is the RAF variant or the FAA Variant.
That being said. I think the discussion is somewhat irrelevant. With 2 essentially identical aircraft in our tree. It would be simple to then give the FGR2 Aim-9Ls and leave the FG1 with Aim-9Gs. Then they could have different BRs respectively.
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The problem with improved armaments is that it will raise its BR, and the lack of flares will make it even more of a problem. A good example of this is the F-1 in the Japanese tech tree, where it has good armament but due to being flareless, it suffers alot.
I would rather have the F4C in its current implementation to be put at a lower BR than give it better armament and be placed at a higher BR.
Another option would be to replace the F4C with the F4D, which would give us an early phantom with flares.
the best bit is the Brit Phantoms are still only a step below the EJ Kai, which has internal gun (which means it can go faster or can carry more fuel) has AIM-9Ls, a arguably superior radar, and AIM-7Fs, yet it’s still only 1 BR step up.
Not to mention the Brit Phantoms are the same BR as the American 7F slingers (the F-4J and S, again, better in a significant number of regards)
HOW?
iirc that’s correct, but I’ve no idea if the one we have in game represents an actual RN Phantom or an RAF (ex-RN) Phantom
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I have no idea… I can almost forgive them before the decompression… But after… It is just idiotic.
As it has the CMs, im inclined to think it may be the RAF version as a small nugget of information that could be wrong in the back of my head tells me that the Phantoms CMs were a later addition.
But in either case. With 2 identical airframes. One could easily be left.
I mean anything with AIM-7Fs should automatically be a BR block above anything that doesn’t… especially after the Multipathing changes.
anyway…
Honestly I’d buy that. I mean, they ran Buccaneers without AN/ALE-40 for a decent amount of time.
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Yeah, I think it was right in that time period that CMs were starting to be standard. Remember the SHars in the Falklands only received CM pods at the start of the war and only NAS 800 on Hermes. NAS801 on Invicibile never recieved them (well recived 2 unusable ones due to damage right at the end of the war)
I think it was during the 1980s that CMs on aircraft were far more normal (though the Buc S2 did have the hardpoint mounted CM pods which considering its normal role and loadout was probably more than suffecient)
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And now it is 12.0!
Exactly! And F4E are many times downtier to face 10.3/10.7! Everythime i try grind for unlock my belgium planes with my Jaguar A or Mirage 3/5 who are 10.7 …(oh stupid gaijin and their weird BR for no Soviet/German), i always face a F4E. ANd since Phantom German top tier was buffed, the F4E seems more agile even in Simulation i have some hard moment vs him with my J7D/E!
The British Phantom was ALWAYS since beginning to high BR. He crap radar and his false doppler velocity who are HEAd On too, is useless completely even in ACM. go try it but am sure most of you don’t even have it. Even for ground Payload, the Gr1 (Gr means ground in british) are weaker than F4E because only Dumb bombs and SNEB rocket. Skyflash are a joke and work identic as sparrow 2E dogfight. Only his Royce Rolls engine is better. Absolutely no place in 12.0, must go same as F4E both to 11.3 like early Mig 23!!!
So I decided that gaijin not forget add AIM-9L on F-4J(UK) and F-4M Phantom FGR.2 for next major update
I hope so, fighting F-14’s and F-15s is horrendous in that thing.
The aircraft is the definition of outclassed even against other 12.0’s.
You have the worst manoeuvrability at the br (perhaps excluding tornado) with the draggier gunpod at best then its tied with F-4J.
You have 4 radar missiles when the F-4J/S have 6 to your 4, F-4J and S also have HMS and you don’t.
They can both also take the same number of IR’s as you
They also get 7F’s to your Skyflash which are worse kinematically than 7E-2 as there are no relevant seeker differences.
You can’t even slam people at longer ranges at the same br with your HMS-less, brickiest plane at that br with no all aspect IR’s…
I’d prefer they went down to 11.7 rather than get the 9L’s as it minimises the number of F-14s and F-15’s you can fight.
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There are in total 3 british phantoms in the British tech tree and having all three stay the same isn’t the best idea. I think having the FGR 2 with Aim 9Ls stay at 12.0br, the FG.1 can drop to 11.7br, and the British F4J could drop down to 11.3br (As it has none of the U.S. F4J advantages like the HMD, Aim 7F, and it gets a heavier gunpod compared to U.S. F4J). This would be a great way to balance them and make them a lot more playable.
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fully agree
Well sure radar are good but skyflash are sht compare to 7F
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That would be a good way to distribute them
I have been thinking the exact same thing. Particularly as I believe it was the FGR which got AIM-9L’s historically and then the FG.1 can drop as you said. Though i’d put money on the FGR becoming irrelevant and the FG.1 being played.
But noone can convince me that the FGR is somehow better than the Mig-23ML(D/A) even post-nerf and I have both.
Gajin not forgot add AIM-9L on Phantom FGR.2 in next major update
Not change battle rating and add received AIM-9L like F-4M Phantom FGR.2
Decrease to 11.7 BR for Air RB only.
For F-4J (USN), drop BR to 11.0 (Air AB) and 11.3 (Air RB & Air SB), and change Air-to-Air weapon presets but nerf semi-active radar homing AIM-7E & AIM-7E-2 instead AIM-7E-2 & AIM-7F
Current
- 2x AIM-9D + 1 x 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannon
- 4x AIM-9D
- 4x AIM-9G
- 6x AIM-7E-2
- 6x AIM-7F
New
- 2x AIM-9D + 1 x 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannon
- 4x AIM-9D
- 4x AIM-9G
- 6x AIM-7E
- 6x AIM-7E-2
Yes while the mig 23ML variants would have better flight performance than the FGR 2, however the Aim 9Ls are a much superior missile compared to the R-60M, and thats not mentioning that the FGR2 can switch to PD, and has 2 more missiles compared to the ML series. What really hurts the ML series was the change to their radar, where they can no longer keep it as either default or MTI/LD mode, it now automatically switches based on position of the enemy and the plane itself. This is the nerf I’d argue is what really harmed the ML series. The fact that the british and US navy phantoms can keep their PD mode is a really good advantage now.
Even if you gave the British F4J Aim 9Ls, it would still not be enough to justify 12.0br, it would instead make it an 11.7br jet. Though I would rather the British F4J go down to 11.3br as Britain currently lacks any fighter at from 10.3-11.3br range.
Why exactly would we need to do this? The U.S. F4J is already fine at 12.0br with HMD and Aim 7F, nerfing it and dropping its BR to 11.3br does not make any sense and would probably cause an uproar from the US playerbase.
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Yeah if the FGR’s had 9L’s they’re definitely better than the 60M’s. The radar nerf really hit them hard though R24R gives them that first shoot and first hit potential even if you have to be a bit higher to have ground clutter behind them.