If the aircraft is using SRC, then chaff should be highly effective. If the aircraft is using PD, then you’ll have to notch to evade.
That’s nonsense.
In any case, performance in an uptier is not a reason to have planes kill entire lobbies in downtiers. We have enough of that crap already in the game.
We also don’t have to give it 9Ls, let there be some variation between all the 11.3 Phantoms. If you feel like it needs better IR missiles, then Kurnass 2000 is your new buddy so you can sling 6 Python 3s around.
This game has always and ever been the same at top tier, you either have one of the top planes, or you’re going to struggle, there’s no way around it. The 12.0s have unlimited downtiers or equal tier until they add new planes at 12.3 and up, and the cycle continues where now suddenly the Mig29 or F16 gets to face off against yet better planes.
Some year from now, someone will ask the F16s or Mig29 to come down to 11.7 (if its even still 12.0) because can’t compete with F15, Grippen, JF17, Mitshubishi F2, F16C, F18, or whatever they add, including more modern missiles with functional IRCCM and much better radar / radar missiles which require different countermeasures that earlier gens just don’t have access to.
They are fine where they are, I just wish that they would get 9L, other than that it’s fine.
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These Phantoms don’t need to be BR lowered. Just the top tier needs go up.
12.0 is too low for actual topdogs. Raise to 14.0 and decompressed everything below !
They aren’t. The only thing they have in common rn is PDV radar mode. FGR.2, FG.1 and F-4J (UK) don’t get HMS or combat flaps (only F-4S has them but still), their best missile is basically an AIM-7E-2 copy while others use AIM-7F. The only thing better in FGR.2 and FG.1 is more thrust and more modern RWR. And that’s only for Spey Phantoms while F-4J (UK) has standard engines and RWR.
In my honest opinion F-4J (UK) should be moved down to 11.0 while FGR.2 and FG.1 should receive AIM-9L to compensate for these downsides at 11.3 BR. They could also give AIM-9L only for the FGR.2 (since it was the last Phantom variant to be phased out of UK service) and move the FG.1 to 11.0 with its current loadout.
Keep in mind that 11.0 F-4E has overall better maneuverability than Spey Phantoms, combat flaps, same missiles (apart from IR but they are close enough), better RWR and internal gun.
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Neither should be moved down, they will completely stomp.
What should actually happen is top BR be moved up to at least 13.0 and then other aircraft be moved around.
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I could agree with them getting aim-9Ls
I’m just afraid that Gaijin would put it at 11.7 because of it.
Honestly, I don’t think that would be the end of the world. 11.3 almost never gets a downtier anyway(I hate flying the F-104ASA and the F1C has been a bit…painful lately)
I think it could get its AIM-9Ls and probably stay at 11.3, it might get a downtier once every 15 matches or so and sure, it would probably do really well, but I doubt 1 out of every 15 games is gonna break what we have anyway.
Stay at 11.3 or move to 11.7 I still think it should get its AIM-9Ls.
Ideally, we would just see a max BR raise and move some stuff around but…who knows when that will happen.
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Yeah, I mean, it’s already a good plane, just held back by it’s ahistorical loadout. 9L would just make it competitive in the current IR slinging meta, because having 9G… doesn’t really cut it as they aren’t all aspect.
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I agree with you, no reason for it not to get historical load out especially considering what it has to fight.
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USA got an whole new type of IR missile when the F-14A came. AIM-9H, it’s a copy paste AIM-9G. They could have spent some time to fix the British Phantoms instead of giving the US a missile they already have.
Dont downtier the F-4M and F-4K, give britain a competent 12.3, and move the top BR to 13.3
Attention, JA37C has same missiles, and PD radar in 11.0( yes only 2 skyflash)
It’s been confirmed by Smin it would, that’s why it hasn’t gotten them yet.
People kept asking for them, even though it was pointed out what made them different in irl wouldn’t be modeled in game.
Maybe they could make a poll asking the community if they want it added at the cost of raising the BR? I think more people would be happy to go up slightly in BR for some more effective weapons.
Maybe only allow people with rank 6 or 7 in Britain to vote?(or maybe just rank 6 or 7 in any jet, sans premiums of course)
Leave one of the Phantoms with its current loadout at 11.3 and move another one to 11.7 with Limas. It’s as simple as that.
What I really dont understand, is how the Tornado F3, with Aim-9L. Skyflash ST, a better radar and triple the CMs is 11.3 and no one complains about that, because lets face it, it couldnt go up. but FGR2/FG1 with Aim-9L added but staying at 11.3 is unthinkable.
But yeah, that split method could work.
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