An example that has nothing to do with the Abrams?
An example that reinforces the fact that spall liners are applied to the interior of the vehicle and not inbetween the armour?
‘’‘’[…] bolted in place immediately behind the vehicle’s armoured bodywork. […]‘’
I missed the point of spall liners in the said image having been applied to the interior of the vehicle, instead of as you claim, integretated into the armour?
I’ll continue missing it then, thanks.
Yes because Spall liners can only be visible and never built into the armor aka integrated into the armor itself, a ceramic plate/ tile, kevlar cloth/fiber material, or in some cases just a spray on foam made to blend in with the armor (and yes it exists think spray foam but of a ballistic nature)
(also its funny how this is acceptable for challengers but not abrams)
where do you even get that from?
the challenger in game have the ones inside of the tank not in the composite, and they also have visual proof that they had the mounts for the spall liners
Dunno about that, but you:
A) Haven’t presented evidence that the M1 uses such a form of spall liners, if they even exist in the first place.
B) You’ve shown a source that backs up my and Furina’s case that spall liners are mounted on the interior of the vehicle, and not inbetween the armour.
the fact every chally 2 has a spall liner but not a single abrams.
do you have evidence that shows the mounts for this type of spall liners panels ? because the op did had them.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/4fQYkCB8Opd5
There are multiple photographs from inside the Challenger 2 showing spall liners inside the turret & hull. There are no such photographs from inside the Abrams, and claims of a spall liner integrated into the armour are dubious. That’s by the Challenger 2 has them and the Abrams does not.
If thats the case and we need photographic proof of every vehicle, with documented but not confirmed articles to everything then why has the Abrams turret ring been properly modeled to be more than 50mm thick in some areas when it should be at least 200mm minimum all around to prevent most 30mm autocannons, nor fully enclosed fuel tanks and bumping the armor of said fuel tanks to I believe 25mm like previously stated on other posts (may be wrong). Also why are their still tanks in the game that only existed in theory Ho-Ri/ or wooden mockups such as the Waffentrager.
I don’t get it why some guy belive that a fabric layer between 2 hardened steel can act as spall linear, like they think that it the same with modern glass for car ? That’s how physic work ?
If we can take an example, literally take any modern combat vest with hard-plate add on or any marketing materials for spall linear that existed for heli, civilian spall protection for door/floor on armored car, …etc literally every add-on plate test on body armor prove it.
It would still depending on how you would design vehicle , armor package.
As it stand the point of spall liner (that SpeclistMain try to explain) is to reduce amount of fragments (aka reduce spall cone) generated by last layer during an shell impact or when armor being penetrated.
For example
In this report they mention that
“Very little supporting experimental work has been undertaken but the report suggests that relatively thin liners can significantly reduce or suppress spalling, with consequent reduction in behindplate lethality,”
Page 4
There are more study which SpeclistMain refer to.
“the primary function of the kevlar liner is spall and associated fragment suppression.”
page 47
Still not sure about the layout of the hull spall liners on CR2, It’s hard to see the actual side armour sadly
what is this post supposed to prove?
Do you actually have a familiarity with what you’re talking about?
You know plates exist with spall liners on the front of the plate, right? The plate rated to stop rounds up to whatever caliber means it will explode against the plate, and spall liner is front of the plate to catch the spall from shooting up into your throat and jaw. It’s not on the back.
Whether they’re right or wrong about spall liners in tanks, you’re completely wrong about plates.
Bruh, the freak is that.
Spall liner alway sit as the last layer that the rounds pen to catch the spall cause by the previous layer (RHA). Why some magic layer can catch the spall cause by the next layer of it ?
I don’t need a PhD to know about that.
Read my statement againt
Engineers figured it out, or they put another kind of spall liners that’s not copy paste from other nations and that’s superior to the known Spall liners?
Maybe you do need a PhD to figure it out too.
Oooh, the fancy tech that every nation that has true “spall liner” approved and implemented on their tank included Leo 2, Challenger 2, T-90M, … as the last fabric layer instead some “integrated” that magically reduce spall, get bash by Necron and Furina, even the thread about spall liner on other MBT (Chally 2, Lerclerc, Chinese ZTZ, …), you guys bring it and not even a single doc stated the representation of it effectiveness again spall on the tank itself. Just the doc stated the effectiveness of the test for spall again a rounds
Funny is the spall liner on Bradley/Striker is a plate that sit as the last layer to isolate the crew to be consider as spall liner but there some dude belive that Abram has intergrated spall liner since 1996 although all the american main, history channel, crew interview stated nothing.
Maybe YOU should go back and read what you wrote again. I have a tip for you, don’t be so overconfident where you start tying things together you don’t understand and don’t support your point.
This quote is you right? I mean, I did quote you so it must be. Don’t bother replying in argument, I can just show you more manufacturers of plates with spall liners on the front. Or home makers using ar500 steel and other steel plates with a catch on the front. The exact plates with the vest you’re referring to that you’re wrong about.
My argument is not about spall liners in tanks, just that you’re using crap logic as to why it can’t be. Since I can demonstrably show you with the exact logic you used in your example with body armor and plates, that yes indeed spall liners are and can be on the outside of the plate.
Does that rounds pen ?
You think that an APFSDS that pen through it plus the mass of it own and the mass of the last RHA layer is weak as the video ?
That video show a rounds that stop by the spall linear and literally nothing go through the last layer to create spall.
The freak is that, spall liner on tank mainly use to reduce the ammount of spall caused by a “penned” rounds.
Try not to trip over those goal posts, please.
I told you exactly what I’m addressing.