It’s not relevant, show me an interior spall liner. That’s what Gaijin wants to see. If you want to research the subject further there is plenty of information on google… it’s like asking for a source that Chobham is better than steel. It’s common sense.
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Dude why you throwing a hissy fit? I just asked you for your source
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Gaijin wants to see the interior spall liner. If there is none, there will be none.
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He won’t give you a source because he has none. He said non ironically in another topic that his source was himself. Thus that means he considers himself a better source than every primary source posted here. That should tell you all you need to know about the individual and his overinflated ego and self-entitlement.
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I figured, he’s just another arm chair general
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If that’s how you feel, don’t feel surprised when they close the report. There is no internal spall liner and not a single source in here shows the opposite.
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I think the very obvious evidence from photos show there is no internal spall liner on any Abrams MBT ever produced. There is also not a single source here that states otherwise.
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I mean, there is. Idk what the summary is, tho there certainly material stating it does:
Edit: offcourse id love to know what that piece sitws for that claim since there seemingly is one but idn if they dug that up
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Funny, I guess there just happens to be no picture of a spall liner installed on any Abrams ever by mistake.
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I mean, depending on how its done its entirely plausible internal pictures aren’t going to be obvious.
Like in one source above points to a backing material to catch spall in the frontal armor block. Could be thats the only place there is a spall liner
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Firsthand experience - it is. It’s not meant to catch spalling so much as it’s just a backing for the composite armor. It doesn’t do the crew good - that’s why they’re mandated to wear spall vests.
There is no internal spall armor of any kind.
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Then why does the source above specifically mention it as an upgrade over regular old Chobham to prevent spalling in the interior of the tank?
Like at a minimum its gonna reduce spalling by only letting the highest energy spall through. Meaning a more narrow spall cone.
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Likely just erroneous claim.
All modern armor should do this - Gaijin hasn’t considered this because the materials and composition of most modern armor are classified. They also haven’t given any tank crews spall vests either.
Fact of the matter is - what they are modeling on the T-90, Bradley, etc… it is an internal spall liner on the interior of the tank armor within the crew area. The Abrams has NEVER had anything of the sort. IRL it is because it simply doesn’t need it, but it will suffer in-game because of this. You’re better off wasting your time suggesting they add spall vests to modern tank crews instead.
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Or maybe, since the US spends more money than makes sense on defense, they can afford to mandate that their tank crews wear vests as an extra layer of protection above and beyond even the built in spall liner?
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Can you show me the “built-in” spall liner?
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2 out of 4 of the pictures show normal spall liners, 1 is completely unrelated (ballistic plate for soldiers), and one of them is showing off how car windshield is made… (i.e completely irrepresentative of the “in-built spall liner”, which once again, would not work).
Best of all, the second image shows Permali’s spall liner protection… and here’s what they say about it:
Notice anything? It doesn’t support the idea of “built-in spall liners”.
You are aware that almost all ballistic glass for vehicles today is, by design, made to have it’s own spall liner built into it right? Including Russian BP glass.
Its almost like having proper laminate materials, installed in a certain way, prevents backface deformation and spall + fragmentation from exiting the armor material.
You can outright find hundreds of images of ballistic glass testing that shows this to be fact online, because thats how ballistic glass outright works.
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Interesting i see why people stopped posting it
Quite the opposite, its still very popular because its accurate for people who actually know the topic and the context of the selected images.
Its a mockery of the fact that Russia only recently realized that crew protection is possible but only through draping kevlar blankets in the vehicles, meanwhile the West has for years found out that laminate materials and designs exist along with, in the case of the ballistic plate, composite armor exists.
In the case of the plate, it is a generic SAPI plate, the gold standard for armor plates in NATO and, incidentally, due to it’s design and layered nature, has functionally no backface deformation or spall generated when struck even with the likes of .30-06 black tips. It is a glowing example of how effective laminate materials are in preventing pass through damage and negating energy transfer without the need of a additional kevlar liner behind the plate itself.
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