I don’t know about the trial results but I know the leopards are cheaper and if it’s cheaper and gets the job done it will win most times. Contracts in the US I’ve worked on also base it equally or who needs it more by lobbying. The trials really don’t mean anything cause they have a winner in their heads already.
True
not really
the composite sideskirts should offer more protection, along with the turret sides
and thats not even getting into the hull armor, or the fact that the UFP should be twice as thick over the fuel tanks as it is rn
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Can you please answer these?
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One says US made Abrams Turret armor is based on DU in game.
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Another says it’s based on Swedish trials. (No DU turret)
Which is true?
I don’t mind how the abrams is in game currently it’s a solid tank.
If all Abrams in game is based on 3rd party export Swedish trials cool. Not a big deal just means they are not based on DU and we can move forward with the “selective realism”
If Abrams turret is actually DU for US. Then the AIM and M1A2T need different armor values. They never contained DU armor regardless of export trials there should be a difference.
If all abrams can have the same values “made up or not” for turret whether it’s DU or not. What is the point of players fighting for DU Turret and Hull if it won’t change anything?
Lastly, are all export tanks from major nations to other nations following the same suit? Same tank just different country?
the official line is that the armor is modeled as having DU
however the protection values are suspiciously similar to those from the swedish trials, which are for a non DU export armor package
I don’t know.
Just so that there is no confusion: Game Masters handle in-game chat and name bans, our title doesn’t mean that we know more about the game than any other player.
Never ask for documents in WT forums we all know they cant show us xD
It’s safe to assume no abrams in game has DU armor. Export or domestic it sounds like the entire lineup of abrams is made up from Swedish trials.
Gajin can’t even get exports correct when it comes the US, what a load of cherry picking BS.
Thanks again for clarifying it was helpful to know for future forums when I see another DU in hull vs DU in turret that no, it doesn’t matter if the proof is solid it’s based on exports.
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So m1a1 in game had DU?
No, supposedly (and most accurately) based on Swedish trials. Might as well add the Swedish flag in the back of all abrams in US tree
Correct me if im wrong, but there are documented destroyed m1a1 with radiation breach during gulf war isnt?
Friendly fire sure, and doesn’t matter in War Thunder. Copy and paste export abrams for everyone (including USA) unless it’s special grade ERA then it’s gate kept for hand holding purposes.
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Tungsten ( < - most sabots) for example is very brittle and shatters at high angles
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The high obliquity of the UFP has to do with what the US knew about Soviet/Russian APFSDS, which were made from steel, and were unable to properly dig into high obliquity plates, tungsten on the other hand, can. It doesn’t shatter, ironically, it actually performs slightly better than DU.
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Depends on if they used the exact values from the Swedish trial. Since the ballistic test happened in Sweden, it couldn’t have had DU
it’s already been answered. Abrams across all nations (even US) do not have DU in turret. All based on an export trial. Just add the Swedish flag to any Abrams in game problem solved.
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As it can clearly be seen on the first image, it says KARLSB, which stands for Karlsborg testing range. In fact, here is the structure in the background.
Sorry, didn’t see this reply in time, but I gave proof
You again…
DU rounds are vastly superior to Tungsten rounds in each and every way. Where are you guys getting your data from?
Germany doesn’t use them cause they care about the environment to make the trade-off plain and simple.
Source:
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This paper has nothing to do with a WHA vs DU elasticity/resistance to bending, secondly:
Sit down. A DU round will bend more than a WHA one, it will therefore, be more prone to snapping when impacting a plate that forces deflection.
Thirdly: your source is “trust me bro”, DU is also basically better only against semi-infinite RHA…
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