Yeah, but they also think the R2Y2 is completely fake despite a fully completed fuselage flying under prop power, 2 more prototype fuselages one of which lacked any of the access hatches or exhaust ports etc to fit the piston engine being captured and both photos of the TR30 engines and the nozzles of the NE330 being recovered.
Hell people on here think the Maus is a “paper tank”
I need a drink…
Edit: WOW… Flagged for pointing out the R2Y2 actually existed… god people get butt hurt over the idea of Japan getting anything in this damn game.
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Char!
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R2Y2 is fake plane not because of jet engines but because of 4 30mm cannons
Real R2Y2 was planned as jet recon plane without any weapon and there wasn’t any plan of creating R2Y2 with 30mm cannons
So it is not “paper vehicle”, it is made up in question of weapon
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No the R2Y1 was planed as a long range prop recon plane, that project was canceled after the losses Japan suffered in the battle of the Philippines sea.
Instead the IJN re focused resources for a jet attacker, the development team for the R2Y1 realized that the R2Y1 could be easily repurposed for that task and got the project restarted as the R2Y2 experimental kai jet attacker project. At that point only 20% of the original R2Y1 prototype was built and was redesigned into the 1st R2Y2 prototype.
Now what exactly the jet attacker was actually planned to be armed with is a genuine question, I’ll give you that, but it was going to be armed.
Please read this message where Japanese sources was used
I made mistake calling it recon plane while it was doing as torpedo bomber.
But as I exactly remember - 30mm cannons on R2Y2 is fake
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Ratte simply will never come, It doesn’t fit, literally.
Paper vehicles just need a tag to identify as such (Wink Wink, ho-ri “production” my ass), always be foldered so they aren’t super common and set a new standard so we don’t end up with completely insane vehicles.
Just try to disguise them very well but also make a reliable way to find them and “avoid them” if you want.
I do see issues with paper vehicles from other nations that aren’t axis, since they actually built the damn vehicles and weren’t super desperate like said axis powers.
Maybe they can help make the cold war to WW2 transition more smoothly, but don’t really trust it since I only know about WW2 era stuff.
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There may be some translation issues with how it was classified between Japanese and English. It also doesn’t help that Japan did an extremely good job of destroying records before their surrender.
Even so I would like a changed R2Y2 as oppose to the line that now ends at 3.7.
This phrase is absolutely not a proof or reason to believe that 30mm guns for the R2Y2 were planned until any good source (especially Japanese) will be found
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Err… no? I’m saying that it makes it near imposable to tell either way. I just want to point out the R2Y2 was well into development, the lack of records just make its actual planed armament complete speculation.
Err… yes!
Issue with the phrase “all documents were destroyed” is that this phrase are used as universal proof for “everything is not so clear” about things which firstly was made up in community and then people who believe in it use this phrase
In real history studying we can note the plans about 30mm cannons only if we have any mention in reliable sources (as again Japanese because English…)
About the type 4 and 5, it says that people are skeptical of the Soviets truthfulness, but why would the Soviets lie about there enemies weapons? Wouldn’t they try to downplay there enemies? I could have worded this better, im on like 4 hours of 😴
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Well I mean the armument is a guestimate. Can’t really do anything when you very little information can you. Looking at the whole picture tho, the r2y2 is a real aircraft we just don’t have the information to verify the current weapons
I think you mis understand, I said “no” not to use the lack of documents to try to claim that the R2Y2 did have 30mm cannons. Only that from available information is that it was planed to be a jet attacker and that the lack of documents make it impossible to determine what it was planned to be armed with.
My reference to “translation” is just that what the Japanese in WW2 considered an “attacker” might not be exactly the same as what we consider “attackers” today.
What Japanese planes that we know about are attackers?
It is not because there isn’t mention for it
Read message I send previously with link. There are pretty detailed description of project development and known mention about guns
The “guestimate” based on nothing (it is actually based on nothing) can finish on fact that Kikka could be armed with 8 30mm Type 5 guns and I-Go missile and Funryu AA rocket because “it is guestimate”
Some of the twin engine KIs where intended as ground attackers, I don’t recall which ones though.
That post is talking about the r2y1 and it’s assuming that the r2y2 is the same thing
Edit:lemme read it again
I see, excuse my mistake
There is pretty detailed description of R2Y story and missing of mention of 30mm guns or any other gun weapon let suppose that there wasn’t plans for it
It is very interesting question right but it can’t mean anything about weapon loadout of R2Y
In Japanese Navy “attacker” (Kougekiki) was used for planes which often translated as “torpedo bomber”
B5N, G4M, B6N, G5N, G8N and other planes with this class was officially called “attacker” and difference was in place of placement - carrier or ground base.
Army “attacker” was similar to soviet “attackers” - armored planes for CAS missions with not really big bomb loadout. Examples of attackers can be Ki-51 and Ki-93.
But as I said in story about R2Y we know about developing “fast torpedo-bomber” and no mention of gun. Could gun be added? Yes, we can see it on B7A where 2 20mm cannons was added. Can we say that “we don’t know did it have guns or not so 30mm can be added because we don’t know” - no
Interesting that word bomber (bagukekiki) in Japanese Navy was used for Dive bombers - D3A, D4Y
While Army was more common with other countries and name Bagukekiki was used for KI-21, Ki-48, Ki-49 and etc
I don’t know. Not going to speculate on that.